Conscription

Whitewavemark2

The wrong time to introduce the idea of conscription it seems from social media

People struggling, think that the government has little time for them and their struggles so the reply can be summed up like this

“We starve you, freeze you, exploit you, repeatedly infect you, steal your pensions, remove your opportunities, saddle you with debt, deny you housing, gaslight you, demonise you ....

Oh, and by the way, will you lay down your life for us”

First you need to treat your citizens with respect before asking them to lay down their lives for a country where only the rich seem to benefit.

Asked about Gen Sanders’ remarks, Rishi Sunak’s official spokesperson said “hypothetical scenarios” about potential future conflicts were “not helpful”. When asked if he agreed with the general, the spokesperson replied simply “no”.

Maybe we should pay our soldiers more to aid recruitment.

I don't think the pay is poor.

Army:
£18,00 for a new recruit, £23,000 for a private.
£28,800 for officers in training

Comparable across the forces.

Accommodation and keep is charged unless deployed.

University paid for - no student debt but a salary whilst a student.

Callistemon21

Whitewavemark2

The wrong time to introduce the idea of conscription it seems from social media

People struggling, think that the government has little time for them and their struggles so the reply can be summed up like this

“We starve you, freeze you, exploit you, repeatedly infect you, steal your pensions, remove your opportunities, saddle you with debt, deny you housing, gaslight you, demonise you ....

Oh, and by the way, will you lay down your life for us”

First you need to treat your citizens with respect before asking them to lay down their lives for a country where only the rich seem to benefit.

^Asked about Gen Sanders’ remarks, Rishi Sunak’s official spokesperson said “hypothetical scenarios” about potential future conflicts were “not helpful”. When asked if he agreed with the general, the spokesperson replied simply “no”.^

The generals should never ever play a part in politics. They did so before the WW1 with disastrous results and a needless war, which in turned spawned the fascist dictator and the horror of WW2 - really a continuation of WW1.

Traditionally The USA had policies not to get involved in war in Europe, which is why they didn’t join the WW1 and WW11 at the beginning. Things have moved on however with United Nations and NATO and for the US to pull out can have dire results such as in Afghanistan - oh that was Biden.

Perhaps we need conscription or rather in some training sessions but can we afford that? Investing in technology, something we’ve always been good at is probably the best option but again needs money.

Pulling out of Afghanistan was a bad decision by Trump when it was settled (mainly) and costing little.

It was an entirely political move.

Biden however executed it badly in my opinion.

...and so did we!

Maybe people will feel differently if it means living under Russia or China’s rule.

Keeper1

Maybe people will feel differently if it means living under Russia or China’s rule.

What would Russia or China want with the UK? War and occupation is frequently about access to resources. We don't have any resources in sufficient quantity to be attractive.

I also doubt that either country. Russia in particular, has the capability to subjugate the whole of Europe, which they would have to do, I think, to keep the UK under control...

Apart from that I have to ask "What is the [expletive deleted] point of war?" It's all willie waving and alpha males, isn't it...

I agree. Testosterone fuelled aggression causes conflict.

Remember the 1933 debate when the Oxford Union passed the motion that they wouldn’t fight. They did along with thousands of others who had no desire for war.

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

Whitewavemark2

The wrong time to introduce the idea of conscription it seems from social media

People struggling, think that the government has little time for them and their struggles so the reply can be summed up like this

“We starve you, freeze you, exploit you, repeatedly infect you, steal your pensions, remove your opportunities, saddle you with debt, deny you housing, gaslight you, demonise you ....

Oh, and by the way, will you lay down your life for us”

First you need to treat your citizens with respect before asking them to lay down their lives for a country where only the rich seem to benefit.

^Asked about Gen Sanders’ remarks, Rishi Sunak’s official spokesperson said “hypothetical scenarios” about potential future conflicts were “not helpful”. When asked if he agreed with the general, the spokesperson replied simply “no”.^

The generals should never ever play a part in politics. They did so before the WW1 with disastrous results and a needless war, which in turned spawned the fascist dictator and the horror of WW2 - really a continuation of WW1.

I agree!!

Apart from that I have to ask "What is the [expletive deleted] point of war?" It's all willie waving and alpha males, isn't it...
😁 yea!

Defence is not aggression.

luluaugust

Remember the 1933 debate when the Oxford Union passed the motion that they wouldn’t fight. They did along with thousands of others who had no desire for war.

Despite my huge distaste for the utter futility of war I can appreciate that there's not much you can do if someone is about to invade your country... fight or go under...

See, I ate some of my words while you were posting, Callistemon

I do hate the whole concept, though.

luluaugust

Remember the 1933 debate when the Oxford Union passed the motion that they wouldn’t fight. They did along with thousands of others who had no desire for war.

Very few desire war.

However, sometimes it is necessary to defend people's rights including the right to peace and freedom.

If brave people had not fought for liberty in WW2 how many more people would Hitler have exterminated?

MaizieD

See, I ate some of my words while you were posting, Callistemon

I do hate the whole concept, though.

I did type yes but yea will do just as well 😁

*“We starve you, freeze you, exploit you, repeatedly infect you, steal your pensions, remove your opportunities, saddle you with debt, deny you housing, gaslight you, demonise you ....

Oh, and by the way, will you lay down your life for us”

First you need to treat your citizens with respect before asking them to lay down their lives for a country where only the rich seem to benefit.*

This 💯%! I have two teenage GC who, I know, would not sign up and I would totally support them. I and my family will not be signing up for anything to do with war.

War

Or Defence?

We have several family and extended family members who are currently serving in our armed forces, I couldn’t be more proud of them.

It has always been scary when they have been deployed to a war zone, even scarier when they are on so called peace keeping duties.

my son was in the TA in the early 2000, one of the army big wigs came to give a talk about how bad things were in iraq and they are looking for volunteers, my son came home that night and said, i am going to iraq, he was given 12 weeks training then off to the front line, it was the most awful 6 months of my life, i asked him how it was when he came back, the only thing he said was some of my friends were killed and i never want to talk about it again.

nexus63 💐 our son was also in Iraq, very difficult time for service families.

GrannyGravy13

We have several family and extended family members who are currently serving in our armed forces, I couldn’t be more proud of them.

It has always been scary when they have been deployed to a war zone, even scarier when they are on so called peace keeping duties.

That is their chosen career, far far different to a conscript army.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

We have several family and extended family members who are currently serving in our armed forces, I couldn’t be more proud of them.

It has always been scary when they have been deployed to a war zone, even scarier when they are on so called peace keeping duties.

That is their chosen career, far far different to a conscript army.

I have faith in our young folk, and like to think that if the U.K. were to be in a situation where we had to defend our shores that there would be queues outside the offices to sign up voluntarily.

Conscription should only ever be used as a last resort.