Emergency Aid To Gaza Halted Because Israel Says So?

I don't imagine that they cost anything like what our government would spend on something comparable. & as for all lthe moey for infrastructure, that's down the drain now isn't it? Israel have flattened that housing, those hospitals, universities & schools.

The tunnels, all three hundred miles of them, were built by Hamas. The claims that they were built by the Israelis are false. The Israelis are regularly accused of building the tunnels, all three hundred miles them. In the eighties the Israelis built a hospital in Gaza, and it may have contained underground cellars, but they didn’t build three hundred miles of tunnels, running under homes, schools, mosques and nurseries, all connecting, and running under the border into Israel. The Israelis didn’t build prisons in these tunnels, nor living areas, nor reinforce them with concrete. Hamas did that. Have you ever thought why? And how it was funded? It really doesn’t take an Oxbridge degree to work it out if you’re not already biased against the Israelis.

ronib

Growstuff okay let’s say then that the oil rich countries should make up the difference? If you object to Saudi making up the shortfall, how do you feel about impoverished countries like the Uk and Italy chipping in?

It's not me who's objecting, but I think the Saudis might. It's very probable Iran is behind this and I can't see Saudi compensating for something its arch enemy has caused.

Anniebach

whitewave your humanity when you deny Jews their homeland

The establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 realized the long-held dream of a Jewish homeland, and it has since become the center of Jewish identity and culture for millions of Jews worldwide. Israel is seen as a place of refuge, a cultural renaissance, and a symbol of Jewish self-determination.

I really don't get this. Jews aren't being denied their homeland. Gaza and the West Bank have never been part of Israel.

Of course Israel has the right to defend its territory but not to destroy somebody else's territory.

You really don’t get it !

Israel has the right to defend its territory but not to destroy somebody else’s territory

How was Israel expected to defend itself without entering Gaza?

I don’t think Hamas had the right to enter Israel and commit one of the most depraved attacks in recent history, which didn’t only include the violent murder of well over one thousand people, but included burning and completely destroying the property in those areas.

How do you think WW2 was won without destroying somebody else’s property? Since you’ve studied WW2, you should know the answer to that.

Anniebach

You really don’t get it !

No, I don't. When the State of Israel was established in 1948, there were defined borders which didn't include Gaza or the West Bank.

Different rule for Israel Maddyone

maddyone

^Israel has the right to defend its territory but not to destroy somebody else’s territory ^

How was Israel expected to defend itself without entering Gaza?

I don’t think Hamas had the right to enter Israel and commit one of the most depraved attacks in recent history, which didn’t only include the violent murder of well over one thousand people, but included burning and completely destroying the property in those areas.

How do you think WW2 was won without destroying somebody else’s property? Since you’ve studied WW2, you should know the answer to that.

The allies didn't totally destroy any country. FWIW it's worth, I think the bombing of Dresden would today be tried as a war crime, but most of the sites in Germany which were bombed were strategic and civilians weren't targeted in the same way as they are in Gaza (or now in the West Bank). I expect you read that the IDF recently disguised themselves as doctors and women, entered a hospital and shot three people in cold blood.

Anniebach

Different rule for Israel Maddyone

What are you going on about?

Oh, forget it! It's a pointless discussion because it doesn't make sense.

The IDF entered a hospital and shot three HAMAS commanders dead!
Why not? They were legitimate targets.
It’s what happens in war.
My father was a soldier, I’m sure he shot people dead too, but he didn’t talk about it. It’s part of war. He was also shot himself, but survived.

Was the bombing and destruction of all of our major cities by the Germans a war crime? Or many war crimes?
Or does it only apply the other way?
You often criticise the UK and it’s part in WW2, but fail to criticise Germany. Strange. Do you see Germany as the victims? And the UK as the aggressor?

Good grief. They were in hospital, one was paralysed. It's against the rules of war. What about the trauma to the staff? Other patients?

German cities were bombed because every adult was part of the Nazi war machine, only young children were innocents.

Just consider the Germans were close to building a nuclear weapon, if they had succeeded there might have been no liberation and we might have had jackboots marching out streets. Bombing crippled war production and saved millions more dying.

maddyone

The IDF entered a hospital and shot three HAMAS commanders dead!
Why not? They were legitimate targets.
It’s what happens in war.
My father was a soldier, I’m sure he shot people dead too, but he didn’t talk about it. It’s part of war. He was also shot himself, but survived.

Was the bombing and destruction of all of our major cities by the Germans a war crime? Or many war crimes?
Or does it only apply the other way?
You often criticise the UK and it’s part in WW2, but fail to criticise Germany. Strange. Do you see Germany as the victims? And the UK as the aggressor?

Did he pretend to be a doctor and shoot people who thought they were safe?

Katie59

German cities were bombed because every adult was part of the Nazi war machine, only young children were innocents.

Just consider the Germans were close to building a nuclear weapon, if they had succeeded there might have been no liberation and we might have had jackboots marching out streets. Bombing crippled war production and saved millions more dying.

Bombing Dresden did not cripple war production and didn't save any more from dying. The war was already won by that stage. Even Churchill wasn't convinced it was the right thing to do.

Incidentally, how much do you really know about the Germans during the war? They turned a blind eye to the Nazis during the 1930s, but by the time they had seized power it was too late. Every adult might have kept their heads down (some didn't by the way), but they were not all part of the Nazi war machine. I have often wondered how current UK citizens would act if there were a time machine and they were transported back to 19303/40s Germany. I suspect many would act exactly as the Germans did.

maddyone

The IDF entered a hospital and shot three HAMAS commanders dead!
Why not? They were legitimate targets.
It’s what happens in war.
My father was a soldier, I’m sure he shot people dead too, but he didn’t talk about it. It’s part of war. He was also shot himself, but survived.

Was the bombing and destruction of all of our major cities by the Germans a war crime? Or many war crimes?
Or does it only apply the other way?
You often criticise the UK and it’s part in WW2, but fail to criticise Germany. Strange. Do you see Germany as the victims? And the UK as the aggressor?

I'm not going to answer your questions because I prefer reasoned discussion to "ad hominem" attacks.

I believe that the hospital attacks by the Israeli militia happened in the West Bank - not in the war zone.

It is a relief to read Matthew Miller - a US spokesperson saying that the UNRWA must continue with its work in providing aid to the Palestinians.

Of course it must!!

Nothing else made sense unless you wanted to see mass starvation.

I’m sure funding will soon continue snd Netanyahus little propaganda wheeze dies a death. The few working for UNRWA and supporting Hamas will hopefully have been dealt with and normal service can resume.

There are 19000 children orphaned by the war and these need urgent help.

50% of Gaza is destroyed - so far- so living accommodation of some sort must be provided.

All that as well as food/water/fuel supplies and of course medical aid.

No, of course you’re not going to answer my questions growstuff.
Because you know the answers.

Whitewave
Nobody wants to see mass starvation, but everyone needs to understand that countries/governments can’t be seen to be inadvertently funding terrorism.
This is the dilemma for those countries which have temporarily paused funding. As for us ordinary people, there is absolutely nothing that any of us can do about it.

I agree maddyone

maddyone

^Israel has the right to defend its territory but not to destroy somebody else’s territory ^

How was Israel expected to defend itself without entering Gaza?

I don’t think Hamas had the right to enter Israel and commit one of the most depraved attacks in recent history, which didn’t only include the violent murder of well over one thousand people, but included burning and completely destroying the property in those areas.

How do you think WW2 was won without destroying somebody else’s property? Since you’ve studied WW2, you should know the answer to that.

Israelis had been warning Netanyahu that prior to the attack dangerous things were happening at the border but their warnings were ignored. It obviously doesn’t excuse in any way the terrible things that Hamas did but the world is being dragged into a war because of his oversight. He is a bad man presiding over a nasty right wing government.

Cadenza123

Good grief. They were in hospital, one was paralysed. It's against the rules of war. What about the trauma to the staff? Other patients?

They saw their chance and took it.They had intelligence about these three men being in the hospital and decided to take them out before anymore plans to murder by these hamas members be made. A good call.

maddyone

Whitewave
Nobody wants to see mass starvation, but everyone needs to understand that countries/governments can’t be seen to be inadvertently funding terrorism.
This is the dilemma for those countries which have temporarily paused funding. As for us ordinary people, there is absolutely nothing that any of us can do about it.

This.