Clapham acid attacker - asylum seeker convicted of sex offence but still granted asylum?

I agree, Urms. Why does a lifelong Muslim suddenly convert to Christianity when they arrive here, knowing that under their religion that is a sin? There can be only one answer. If they were already Christians before coming here that would be entirely different.

www.rights-studio.org/journal/the-damage-of-binary-thinking

Dispiriting to know that ‘dodgy lawyers’ managed to make a highly lucrative living out of these appeals until they were rumbled and then struck off.

I'm a Christian seems to be a good excuse for all sorts of crimes.

I don’t know think they make much of a living from legal aid, certainly not highly lucrative, but the more that are struck off the better.

My OH has a friend from way back - they both worked together frequently for many years as mechanical engineers and stayed in touch. He is an apostate from Islam and, having renounced his religion, he had to, basically, cut himself off from his family (not married, so there was no wife to consider)

Although he no longer lives in fear of any reprisals from the family, he still lives far away from his original patch. He talked about it, a bit. It's just not that easy for a Muslim to renounce his/her religion if there are family, friends or acquaintances. Depending I suppose on their degree of devotion to their religion, they may well harass and intimidate the apostate. Our friend was accused of (among other things, I guess) being indoctrinated with evil Western culture. I can't quite remember how he put it, but that was the gist of it. I can't imagine he came to this decision lightly, overnight so to speak - because he knew it would drastically alter his way of life.

If the perpetrator of this horrific attack in Clapham has indeed converted to Christianity, and has family, friends or acquaintances here in the UK who are protecting him, they must be very forgiving of his apostacy and conversion. .

I am cynical.

I watched a work friend become a distant colleague as his Muslim faith progressed from background to entirely dominating his life.
A family member has been with his partner ten years. Her family faith is Muslim, she is not practicing and no longer ‘believes’. Her family are pressuring her to marry her first cousin, go on they say, he owns 8 properties. They insist on regarding her partner, the man she lives with, as ‘your friend’. Her mum knows this young couple love each other and plan a future together, but in the face of famiky pressure and hipocracy, follows the lie.

I suppose any ultra orthodox followers of a religion face estrangement if they choose (are brave enough) to leave. It’s like a cult. All about control.

I’m not only cynical, I flatly don’t believe it. I don’t believe he has converted. Does anyone honestly think he’s ever heard the words spoken by our Lord, Jesus Christ turn the other cheek. Or indeeed love one another as I have loved you? No, he set out to deliberately destroy this lady’s face/body and to hurt her children. Those are not the actions of a recently converted Christian.

I hope the priest who baptised him is truly ashamed and repentant for having used his position, and the church, to baptise people who have no Christian belief. This must be a sin against everything the church holds dear. He is acting out of a misplaced sense that all asylum seekers should be welcomed without reservation, regardless of the decision of the Home Office, that any one particular person is unsuitable for being given the right to remain in the UK. The right to stay in Britain is privilege that has been misused by this man, and unfortunately, by some others.

Iam64

I watched a work friend become a distant colleague as his Muslim faith progressed from background to entirely dominating his life.
A family member has been with his partner ten years. Her family faith is Muslim, she is not practicing and no longer ‘believes’. Her family are pressuring her to marry her first cousin, go on they say, he owns 8 properties. They insist on regarding her partner, the man she lives with, as ‘your friend’. Her mum knows this young couple love each other and plan a future together, but in the face of famiky pressure and hipocracy, follows the lie.

This is sadly, not uncommon. Women and girls are under enormous pressure to marry the person their family suggest. It’s a very brave woman who goes against this pressure. Acid attacks are often used against women who assert themselves, not just here, but more commonly, abroad.

caknib

www.rights-studio.org/journal/the-damage-of-binary-thinking

I do believe we are aware of binary thinking - finding information that supports our argument, etc. etc.

And I think- hope - we here on GN are aware that most problems etc that we discuss are not black-and-white.

Like many, I do look for data that supports my POV - on the other hand, I also look for facts, stats, etc, that might put a different complexion on the case,

An interesting article.

How about - The person who approves any individual’s asylum request should remain personally responsible for their behaviour for the duration of their stay?

That would reduce the numbers overnight. Very careful thought would be given.

Smileless2012

Just catching up on this thread and re your post yesterday morning maddyone, the C of E does baptise adults. On the 14th of August 2022 the Archbishop of York Steven Cottrell baptised 5 adults in the sea at Bridlington.

You cannot be confirmed unless you have been baptised.

Yes, I know this Smileless. I said upthread that I know adults are baptised in all branches of Christianity, it’s just not that common except in the Baptist church.
Five adults being baptised together, and twenty together, as mentioned upthread, make me very suspicious.
I’m not happy that priests are misusing their position to try to buck the system and allow all asylum seekers to be offered the right to remain. The UK interprets the asylum laws very liberally and over 75 % of applicants are accepted. Therefore there must be very good reasons for refusal.

Can I just say, lest we stray into some strange territory many people of a Muslim faith are not throwing acid or marrying a cousin.

Urmston,Who is this fictional person please?

The reality is some people that should have been in prison in their own countries have been granted leave to remain in our country - they have contributed nothing to our society and we are now paying to deal with their antisocial and criminal behaviour! We need to review all those that have been granted asylum and leave to remain in our country before another incident like this occurs. Sunak says that he doesn't believe those with a criminal record should be allowed to stay in the country, well he's PM he needs to get off his backside and do something about it.

maddyone

I’m not only cynical, I flatly don’t believe it. I don’t believe he has converted. Does anyone honestly think he’s ever heard the words spoken by our Lord, Jesus Christ turn the other cheek. Or indeeed love one another as I have loved you? No, he set out to deliberately destroy this lady’s face/body and to hurt her children. Those are not the actions of a recently converted Christian.

I hope the priest who baptised him is truly ashamed and repentant for having used his position, and the church, to baptise people who have no Christian belief. This must be a sin against everything the church holds dear. He is acting out of a misplaced sense that all asylum seekers should be welcomed without reservation, regardless of the decision of the Home Office, that any one particular person is unsuitable for being given the right to remain in the UK. The right to stay in Britain is privilege that has been misused by this man, and unfortunately, by some others.

My late father converted from CofE to Catholicism.

It took months and months of study and preparation before he was accepted into the Catholic church.

Converting to any religion, surely, takes some time? There must be study and instruction - stages - before you are formally recognised as a church member?

As an atheist I really don't know about such matters, but I can't believe choosing a religion is a casual affair?

And, he certainly didn't abide by the principles, as far as I understand them, of the modern Christian church.

LovesBach

Several years ago a criminal who was being sent back to Somalia was taken off the plane after protests from other passengers that he shouldn't be deported. He has now left the country, after costing the taxpayer over £1,000,000. I hope those applauding as he was taken off the plane now know what he had done - lured a young girl into a flat and attacked her, with three other men. I cannot understand why this is tolerated by the justice system - the protesting passengers should have been taken off, and the deportation completed as the law had decreed.

This is the bbc editor who gave evidence supporting his asylum claim.
And 15 others.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13042143/Amid-disbelief-chemical-attacker-allowed-stay-Britain-BBC-editor-paid-help-15-Somalian-criminals-stay-UK-quits-Beeb-shocking-Mail-expos.html#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20The%20Mail%20on,to%20stay%20in%20the%20UK.

Honestly it's laughable talking of reviewing people and some sort of designated person keeping track of an individual. The HO which you and and everybody else pays for is totally corrupt and not fit for purpose.

What evidence do you have that the Home Office is totally corrupt? You seem to have a tendency to make statements with no supporting evidence.

Urmstongran

How about - The person who approves any individual’s asylum request should remain personally responsible for their behaviour for the duration of their stay?

That would reduce the numbers overnight. Very careful thought would be given.

I totally agree. The charities that encourage them should also support them, house them, feed them, employ them. Be completely responsible for them. I wonder how long it would last.

God,its desperate really when thousands of people are reduced to labels 'them.'
You do understand they are living human beings just like the rest of us?

caknib

God,its desperate really when thousands of people are reduced to labels 'them.'
You do understand they are living human beings just like the rest of us?

I certainly do understand ‘they are living human beings just like the rest of us’
So are the individuals who work in our Home Office yet you dismiss them as ‘corrupt’. Evidence please

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/event/online-event/home-office-fit-purpose

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/15/home-offices-out-of-date-grasp-of-highlighted-by-watchdog

There you go.

Germanshepherdsmum

What evidence do you have that the Home Office is totally corrupt? You seem to have a tendency to make statements with no supporting evidence.

It was just another silly post without any foundation, claiming that 35,000 civil servants are all totally corrupt.