Another person is mauled to death

MissInterpreted

Gwyllt

Aren’t XL bullies supposed to be neutered

They are. But this is the perfect example of how you can pass all the laws you want, but it all comes down to enforcement. Yes, there will be XL Bully owners out there who have followed the new laws to the letter - but there will be many others, like this one, who have no intention of complying. So then what? Who actually enforces the new laws? The police are already heavily overstretched.

but there will be many others, like this one, who have no intention of complying. So then what? Who actually enforces the new laws? The police are already heavily overstretched.

True.

I don't know what the answer is exactly, but these attacks and deaths just cannot be allowed to continue.

As for the owner of the dog who boasted that no-one-was-going-to-tell-him-what-to-do-with-his-dogs (I think there was an expletive added for emphasis)... I hope he gets the maximum sentence permissible, and is banned from owning dogs permanently, not this silly 5 or 10 year ban.

I know there are responsible dog owners of this type of 'breed', but there are too many ignorant, 'macho' males who appear to need them as status symbols for their delicate egos.

The dogs were also a danger to the child, the poor grandmother's grandson. And he now has to live with the trauma of seeing his grandmother mauled to death.

A curse on the oaf who owned these dogs - and all those like him who arrogantly assume they are above the law.

The dogs belonged to the boy's father. The boy's mother died two years ago. The boy has now watched his grandmother die and his father possibly jailed.
What a !!!!! mess!

What is the matter with people keeping these brutes? Why? In a home with children. For goodness sake.

She had complained about them before, there were two full grown dogs and a few puppies, apparently she went to visit her family and tried to separate the fighting puppies (that gives out warning signs when little puppies are fighting each other) and she tried to separate them with a stick so the two big dogs attacked her, they must have been protecting the litter. One says they were part XL Bullies but the police are checking to make sure, both the male dogs were killed at the scene.

We have alwas had German Shepherd dogs and they are the softest, loyal pets you can have. One day our 7 year old German Shepherd snapped at me, he had never, ever done that before so I took him straight to the vets and explained what had happened. They did a check up and found his heart wasn't beating properly so did a scan and found he had cancer around his heart.

My lovely pet was very ill and must have been in so much pain to make him snap at me and sadly I had to have him put to sleep the same day. |That is what happens in so many cases, they cannot tell you when they are ill or have pain so many dogs are treated as being dangerous if they bite someone but it is all down to them being very ill or in pain.

I often wonder with all these attacks by XL Bully dogs if their short legs cannot cope with their large head and massive muscular bodies so they are in pain with aching joints.

So if they can't cope, they kill someone? Like I said for goodness sake!

Well put Kate! I do not have the slightest interest in whether these dogs are in pain and have aching joints or not - I don't care!!! For goodness sake indeed!!!!
That poor woman died in extreme terror and pain - like many others and her young GS saw it all -when will this horror stop ?

This awful case highlights the problem in our society, where some people don’t believe the law, or social responsibility apply to them. The litter was born in November so probably ready to be sold on by now. The owner will have known he shouldn’t be breeding as by January these xl bullies were to be muzzle trained, neutered and registered. He’d no intention of complying,
MOnica, it’s my understanding these circumstances would lead to a manslaughter charge, the owner of out of control dogs who kill a human can be charged with manslaughter. It seems he wasn’t in the house at the time of the attack. Does that mean he can argue the grandmother is somehow responsible? Can he be charged with neglect/child endangerment because he left an 11 year old alone in the house with banned dangerous breeds?
What a mess, that little boy’s mother died two years ago, now he’s witnessed his gran killed in this horrific way
I hope this man gets the heaviest sentence possible and a life ban on dog ownership

Yet no one in this extended family, including the 11 year old boys aunt, who’s been on the news and said they were XL bully dogs, did anything about it?
So there are the owners of these dogs, with family members who are complicit.

I am not clear how bans on dog ownership can be policed and enforced. This does not protect the public at all.

These are not family pets; they behave like wild animals and have been bred to do so. They need to be eradicated. There really is no other solution.

Perhaps it is the owners of these dogs that should be registered, muzzled when out, and neutered.

That's fine M0nica - as long as their dogs have been disposed of first.

I hope this man gets the heaviest sentence possible and a life ban on dog ownership
He shouldn’t be out of prison to ever own a dog again because he will if he’s out, he ll start all over again you can see that by his total arrogance and belief that he can do what he wants

I know the two adult dogs were shot dead I hope they kill the puppies too and they don’t end up having to be long term in some rescue centre that can barely afford to feed the dogs they already have
Yes that sounds awful but surely that’s the only answer

BlueBelle - a dog behaviourist is working to identify breed. If the two adults are the parents, or even just the breed bitch is related to the pups, that could indicate poor temperament. So euthanising them the only option.

Yes, they can attack or can kill someone if they are in pain. My point of view is that it isn't the XL Bully dogs that need putting down it is the person holding the lead. You have seen lion cubs being raised by humans, Gorillas being raised by humans, if they are loved and nurtured then no, unless the animals are in pain they will not hurt you.











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His photo tells you all you need to know about him also, if these dogs were reported as being dangerous to someone before this happened where were the police in all this.

TurtleDove I agree with you

A lot of misinformation on this thread - like Chinese whispers.

The adults weren’t both male; they were male and female. The parents of the pups. These wouldn’t have been tiny puppies fighting; they would have already been quite chunky. Puppies do fight - all the time. Not full on set to’s but little squabbles. The poor lady made the mistake of using a broom (according to reports) to separate the pups and the bitch obviously went to protect her pups. The male then joined in. This is what happens with dogs. One attacks, the pack join in.

These pups shouldn’t have been born but there was a time these dogs were changing hands for several thousand pounds. Get rich quick merchants get on the bandwagon, breed repeatedly, the market gets flooded, the price goes down, dogs are abandoned and very ill treated and, quite often, passed from pillar to post. They have their ears cut off without anaesthetic and are often shut outside and just not cared for.

It’’s been a time bomb for several years and it’s now going off and, as per usual, it’s vile humans causing it.

Turtledove that’s silly we don’t kill humans any more
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It’s totally not true that a dog only hurts if in pain turtledove just like humans, dogs can have the propensity to attack for any reason, sometimes no reason that we can see, they can be spooked, they can be hearing things we don’t hear, they can be trained to be vicious, they can be jealous, sometimes they are just hard aggressive dogs. This breed of dog is extremely big and very strong and are NOT suitable to be a ‘pet’ in any sense of the word
The rules are obviously not strict enough and need additional thinking it’s a shame for anyone with a ‘soft, loving, bully but what sort of owner would want to have this large beast of a dog
There are people who want them as ‘hard’ dogs but a lot are really just following a trend, saying look at me I have a huge beast who is soft and gentle and loves me and are Just looking for attention.

Judging by the film I saw on television the house looked small with minimal outdoor space, for two adult dogs and six puppies. Dog licences need to be brought back and homes checked for suitability, something the RSPCA should undertake.

It is indeed vile humans who have caused this issue. And for many of them, they think owning these types of dogs is some kind of status symbol. They don't actually care about the animals themselves - as has been said, cropping their ears to make them look even more intimidating, etc. They will always look for ways to get round the laws - we've already seen it with these dogs being brought up to Scotland since the ban in England, although they are being banned here now too.

tickingbird the dog owner told the lady to use a broom to part them, that was her mistak, afraid I would have shut the door on them and left them to fight, however I wouldn’t have been in the house in the first place.
That poor little boy what chance does he have in life
Lost his mum two years ago presumably being brought up by his Dad (I could be wrong as they haven’t confirmed that) who seems a total axxxhxxx and now seen his Nan mauled to death and he couldn’t save her.
Such a tragedy that should never have happened

This man has posted pictures in the past of his dogs wandering around the beach without leads on. How frightening.

Kate1949

This man has posted pictures in the past of his dogs wandering around the beach without leads on. How frightening.

He's quite clearly the kind of person, even by his own admission, who does not care and thinks he's above the law. I hope he is made to pay the price for this - but even if he is convicted and sentenced, nothing is going to bring back this poor woman.

It's awful. Poor lady. Poor little boy.