Another person is mauled to death

I feel appalled and sad in equal measures for this poor woman! An 11 year boy was with her (her grandson, who’d lost his own mum a few years ago)

I live in Essex and Jaywick is a particularly deprived area and full of people on the poverty line and I’ll hazard a guess that these dogs were (wrongly) bred to sell.

This woman and her grandson should never have been in this room with two large dogs and their puppies, I’ve seen the news and seen a family member interviewed. The poor woman was advised by the dogs owner, (where was he?) who is a family member, to use a broom handle if the puppies started to “fight” each other! She did this, and unsurprisingly, the parent dogs attacked her! Luckily the grandson ran out of the house.

This is a horror story!

Dogs are not the issue, owners are! A blanket ban on specific dogs will not and does not work.

What we need is dogs to be licences again, all large dogs to be muzzled in public, better checks on all breeders.

ALL dogs are potentially dangerous with poor owners.

Dogs that have deliberately bred, and trained, to be aggressive will always be a danger. More needs to be done to stop this and dog fighting.

My heart goes out to this family, but what on earth was this owner and family members thinking?

jaxjacky If the 11 year old boy is being brought up by his father, he is going to reflect his fathers behaviour and attitudes.

His grandmother had already expressed concern about the dogs. But her daughter, the boys mother, died 2 years ago and he was being brought up by his father.

M0nica

jaxjacky If the 11 year old boy is being brought up by his father, he is going to reflect his fathers behaviour and attitudes.

His grandmother had already expressed concern about the dogs. But her daughter, the boys mother, died 2 years ago and he was being brought up by his father.

The attack and the fact his grandmother was killed will have traumatised this boy. Although his mother had died and he was being brought up by his father, he still had contact with his maternal family.
If his father is convicted and does go to prison then I hope his maternal aunt(s) will be able to care for him and perhaps instil some better values in him.

Poor boy, he will need a lot of help.

I understand that MOnica I was reflecting that his aunt, interviewed, stated they were XL bully dogs, but didn’t indicate if she had previously reported that or not, or made comment to the boys father.

The law cannot and will not, in the majority of cases, be enforced. This puppy trade (very lucrative) will go underground. Criminal types will know who to contact to get these dogs. Muzzles and chipping? Ha! The rules won’t apply to these types.

Some folk just believe the law doesn’t apply to them. Look at Katie Price for example. Caught again driving last week and she’s supposed to be banned.

The police can’t be everywhere. The bad boys know this, take their chances (the odds are pretty good) and huge amounts of money (cash, natch) passes hands. How much would those six Bully puppies have fetched? Upwards of £10k I expect.

Iam64

Oh dear - the DM showing photographs of the owner, a “rapper’. It’s claimed when the gran/now killed by these dogs challenged him, saying they’re dangerous, his response was no one tells me what to do with my f**g dogs. Just the kind of person we want in charge of killer dogs -

That's in a nutshell. The more dangerous dogs are favoured by this type of person. Of course he isn't going to follow any rules set down by the Government. I hope they make an example of him and of course, lessons will be learned.

Turtledove! Do you really believe what you type? I am not a dog hater but as it has already been said - all dogs have the potential to attack !! I recognize that the xL Bullie type often have irresponsible owners , however this savagery quite simply can not continue!! Would you be so forgiving of a dog if one savaged a member of your family!?

Imagine how worried the lady must have been knowing her grandson was living in that house. I know I would be.

But some dogs ‘are’ the issue. This interbreeding for aggressive characteristics is part and parcel of their appeal to certain types of owners.

Urmstongran

But some dogs ‘are’ the issue. This interbreeding for aggressive characteristics is part and parcel of their appeal to certain types of owners.

Sadly I agree. Breeders who deliberately breed dogs from dogs known to be aggressive then sell them onto those who clearly have no clue about dogs, have to shoulder a big part of the blame!

I’m a lifelong dog lover, but it’s surely time all such dogs were PTS, no ifs, buts, or arguments.

Rules that aren’t rigorously enforced are never going to work, as is quite evident in this case - the owner ‘wasn’t having anyone telling him what to do with his f*cking dogs’.

So often the owners of such intimidating breeds are anti-social or downright thug types anyway, who are highly unlikely to take a blind bit of notice of any law unless absolutely forced to.

I cried when I heard this news. That poor kid will never forgot that. Those dogs need to be euthanised now!

The owner of the dogs is now out on bail.

Let us hope the child is being properly cared for somewhere else.

As a passionately devoted dog owner I totally agree these dogs should be put down and their owners locked up and the key thrown away. It's not what having a pet is about and it makes people uneasy about all dogs, which are, after all, wo/man's best friend.

As Cossy says, Jaywick is an extremely poor area and I would think these dogs were being kept for breeding. There will always be members of the criminal fraternity willing to pay large sums for menacing dogs. Anyone who knew of the existence of these dogs and failed to report their owner to the police is culpable. That, unfortunately, includes the grandmother who was killed.

Anniebach has a good point that the man possibly had sold the pups. Poor people sometimes become 'back street breeders'. All dog breeders are at fault for making money from their trade. Exceptions are genuine working dogs such as guide dogs, police dogs, and therapy dogs. Included with therapy dogs are companion dogs which should be registered compapion dogs.

I support liberty and also many traditions however problems of too many dogs and bad dog ownership can only be stopped by loss of liberty to keep them whenever one chooses to do so.

I heard on the news that she left with the dogs and puppies and was told the puppies started to fight to separate them with a broom
Handle which she did which resulted in the bigger dogs attacking her - what rightful owner would do this is a litter of puppies

When I saw that this happened in Jaywick, l was not surprised. It is one of, if not the, most deprived areas in the country and very rough. I realise that this could sound snobbish but the reality is that there are far more of these big, dangerous fighting dogs in deprived areas than other places. They are not bred to be pet’s, they are bred for fighting. These dogs should be put down immediately and the man should be jailed for a long time and banned for life from owning any animal of any kind again. Should the boy live with other family members or be taken into care? This is a dreadful situation either way. He will be traumatised and need a lot of psychiatric help, but most of all he needs love. That poor, poor boy.

I also agree with GSM.

There are identifiable breeds the purpose of which is aggressive behaviour.

Also,on a political note, nobody should be so poor that they feel they belong to a social class that is outside the law.(Regarding Jaywick)

Pets .. wretched autocorrect.

A word for the responsible breeders, who are registered inspected and love their dogs. I rescued for years, 9 I. Total, plus I fostered for the breed specific charity I still volunteer for. The arrival of babies and toddler grandchildren meant when our existing dogs died, we bought puppies rather than risk rescues. My experience is rescues are increasingly complex so unsuitable visiting infants.
One of ours arrived at 10 months having been with the breeder, living in the house with their other dogs. My younger dog came at 9 weeks, his litter lived in the house with the breeder. Both breeders needed a reference from someone/a trainer for example before they’d even speak to us. Neither advertise, they only sell to people with a reference, or previous owners. They breed an show their specific breed. I have 5 generation health records and temperament as well as health key to these responsible breeders

Waves at urmstongran, across the M60 - agree with your comments urmston

Rosie2959, I agree.

By having these dogs on the same house as two of these brutes and 6 puppies, this man put his son in danger. Social services should have bern called my neighbours.

If you go to DODO or Geo beats on you tube , the same dogs are trained properly , have loving owners , and show no aggression , unlike the UK .