Another person is mauled to death

If you go to DODO ,or geo beats on youtube , the same dogs and pit bulls are treated with love and caring by the owners , and nothing like the ones in the UK .

Does anyone know what has happened to the puppies? Are they still at the house? I am in the PTS camp because I don’t believe even one thousand dog lives are worth the same as one human life. And that poor little boy, it’s heartbreaking and it could so easily have been him, as well.

Someone where I live was attacked by a dog yesterday. Not an XL Bully but a different type of bulldog. The dog was on a lead but not controlled. The adult victim was jumped on from behind and knocked over then bitten by this dog. Seeing the damage that even just one bite from that relatively small dog has inflicted, these Bullies terrify me.

Hopefully the government will now see their stupid knee jerk reaction to bullies has backfired. It won’t make one iota of difference to people like their owner. The dogs are not the problem- the people breeding and buying are. For the life of me I can’t understand why people can’t see this. Change the law on breeding and ownership of animals, that is the only way to tackle it. These poor dogs were protecting their puppies (they will be killed too now). That oxygen thief of an owner told the lady that if the puppies started fighting to try and stop it with a broom. So that is why she is dead. The blame lies entirely with the breeders, not the dogs.

Gillycats

I agree 100%

Gillycats

Hopefully the government will now see their stupid knee jerk reaction to bullies has backfired. It won’t make one iota of difference to people like their owner. The dogs are not the problem- the people breeding and buying are. For the life of me I can’t understand why people can’t see this. Change the law on breeding and ownership of animals, that is the only way to tackle it. These poor dogs were protecting their puppies (they will be killed too now). That oxygen thief of an owner told the lady that if the puppies started fighting to try and stop it with a broom. So that is why she is dead. The blame lies entirely with the breeders, not the dogs.

Those of us that have bought puppies or bred them know that when you visit a breeder they you will meet the mother and the father if he is attached to that breeding establishment so that you can see the sort of temperament they have. I’m not aware of dogs attacking people who approach their puppies and, if they do there’s something wrong. It isn’t like walking across a field of cows and calves.

Iam64

A word for the responsible breeders, who are registered inspected and love their dogs. I rescued for years, 9 I. Total, plus I fostered for the breed specific charity I still volunteer for. The arrival of babies and toddler grandchildren meant when our existing dogs died, we bought puppies rather than risk rescues. My experience is rescues are increasingly complex so unsuitable visiting infants.
One of ours arrived at 10 months having been with the breeder, living in the house with their other dogs. My younger dog came at 9 weeks, his litter lived in the house with the breeder. Both breeders needed a reference from someone/a trainer for example before they’d even speak to us. Neither advertise, they only sell to people with a reference, or previous owners. They breed an show their specific breed. I have 5 generation health records and temperament as well as health key to these responsible breeders

This is very true. We wanted to get a rescue after our old boy died, but we couldn't because our GS, then two, was living with us at the time, and no reputable rescue would rehome a dog to a family with a young child (which, by the way, I totally understand and agree with). We ended up getting our current dog from a very responsible breeder - she vetted us very thoroughly before deciding that we would make a suitable home for one of her pups, and needless to say, we did our research on her too. Not all breeders are irresponsible or purely in it for the money, but like anything, it is the irresponsible ones who give everyone a bad name.

In my opinion you are wrong gillycats it’s the owners AND it’s the dogs
If the owners were owning a smaller non agressive dog, people might get bitten but they wouldn’t get mauled to death it’s the combination of a ‘single brain celled’ owner and a huge, aggressive, man made dog
These 2 dogs have been killed thankfully and I hope the puppies have been euthanised too This breed MUST be wiped out completely.
No idea what you are talking about Zen82 !!!

any dog can suddenly develop a mental health condition that interferes with their normal behaviour, with most dogs that isn't a problem but with this type of dog they are too strong for many people to control, I think they should be banned and put down, it isn't always the owners fault,

...or the owner might get weaker and be unable to manage them

The little houses in Jaywick are usually only 12 foot wide by 24 foot long and only intended to be holiday chalets not a home . A bit crowded for all those dogs - no wonder it happened .

These are 'weapon dogs' - better protection on the street than a knife. Banning the XL Bully will not stop anything - there are many other dangerous dogs such as the Presa Canario - also by breeding from any dog with an unsound temperament can create a vicious dog. I have bred and owner Labrador Retrievers for many years and I know that there are plenty of Labradors who should not be bred from because of a nervous/aggressive nature. Muzzles in public are obviously sensible but it is very difficult to police what happens in peoples' homes. Dog licences sound like a good idea but are very difficult to enforce. All dogs are supposed to be microchipped but many are not. In theory, if this worked, every stray/found dog could be returned to the owner. Maybe a suitable punishment would be to put the owners in a small room with one of these dogs - not one of theirs - and see how they like being attacked! The most appalling tragedy for that poor little boy and his family.

Gillycats, these dogs are very much the problem and putting them on the dangerous dogs list was very necessary. They are bred to kill - that’s why criminals have them.

Many people say it’s not the dog it’s the owner. In this case I totally disagree. These dogs have been deliberately bred to be strong and aggressive by cross breeding two or more of the same type. It’s in their DNA to attack both humans and other dogs. Some may be owned by responsible people although choosing this type of dog to me is irresponsible. However even a well trained dog of this type can never 100% be trusted not to turn on its owner for whatever reason. I appreciate it can be said of any dog in the wrong circumstances but when you have weight, aggression and a lock on bite, you have no chance of walking away.
That poor boy witnessing his grandmother being mauled to death will haunt him for the rest of his life.

eazybee yes regarding dog licences! I think it would be an excellent idea if these were brought back. The cost of licences could pay for additional dog wardens to monitor if the new regulations are being implemented.

Davisuz

eazybee yes regarding dog licences! I think it would be an excellent idea if these were brought back. The cost of licences could pay for additional dog wardens to monitor if the new regulations are being implemented.

If people don’t bother with microchipping their dogs they aren’t going to bother to get a licence either.

I’m sorry to disagree but in this case, as in many others, it is both the breeder of the parent dogs and the owner of dogs faults entirely.

Awful to say this too, but what on earth was the grandmother even doing in this house. She’d already stated the dogs were dangerous.

This entire terrible situation points to appalling irresponsibility of all the adults involved.

I feel so sorry for the 11 year old boy.

I’m a dog lover and owner, but in this instance I do think those puppies should be seized and humanely destroyed asap before anyone else grabs them and breeds from them.

MayBee70

Davisuz
eazybee yes regarding dog licences! I think it would be an excellent idea if these were brought back. The cost of licences could pay for additional dog wardens to monitor if the new regulations are being implemented.
If people don’t bother with microchipping their dogs they aren’t going to bother to get a licence either.

Surely the easy way around this is to make breeders responsible for both issuing licence and microchipping, then uploading the info onto a central database. Costs could be incorporated into the price of the puppy.

Many responsible breeders microchip their puppies upon sale.

Cosy. As I understand it, the grandmother was there to visit her grandson. If I had a grandchild living in that house, I would be worried sick. Perhaps the grandmother visited to make sure the child was OK. Perfectly natural.

Cossy

Such a horrific thing to happen and unthinkable for the child. There seem to be dogs everywhere lately including in food areas where they definitely shouldn't be.

The only way you should be able to get a dog is through a registered breeder or a registered dog charity. Home breeding without license should be illegal as well as advertising on social media ect.
My last Boxer came from a specific breed rescue the dog was microchipped but always had to be registered to the rescue not me.
Identifying the XL bully is obviously difficult as the police have stated it will take several days before they can confirm the facts. One of the dogs in question looked suspiciously like some kind of rottie by his markings.

I would imagine the puppies will be put to sleep if they are XL bullies. The law now prevents them from being rehomed or sold on.
The blame lies squarely with the male owner of the dogs.

Cossy, your comment about you wondering why this GM was even in the house when she had expressed her view they were dangerous seems to insinuate you put some blame on her!? She may well have had concerns but would never have image such a dreadful attack.
Bad owners ,yes of course there are bad owners but there are also bad dogs!! The beasts are bred purely to be violent, horrible animals - there will be exceptions, I recognize that,
but that is not sufficient evidence to keep these breeds going. I suspect the puppies have been put to sleep - I sincerely hope so.

Kate1949

*Cosy*. As I understand it, the grandmother was there to visit her grandson. If I had a grandchild living in that house, I would be worried sick. Perhaps the grandmother visited to make sure the child was OK. Perfectly natural.

Yes, had the child born left alone there with the dogs? If so, she probably wanted to make sure he was all right.
What a terrible tragedy and it was avoidable.

They have let the breeder, Ashley Warren aka Wyless Man, out on bail 🤔

Not born - been