So, our Home Office celebrates World Hajib Day ??

Well obviously I'd agree with that too Glorianny it's not either or, sexualised children or covered up for their own good. Just standard children's clothing will do.

Covering up is allowing men to believe they can't control their sexual urges ergo it's a woman's fault if she is attacked.
The same applies to western women who like to wear short skirts and boob tubes. If she's attacked then some believe it's her own fault for the way she dresses.
It's time men took responsibility for their actions and stop blaming women.

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I have Muslim friends who wear it and don't

None seem very repressed...

Remember the culture in the UK can be different from that abroad

You wont know what goes on behind closed doors.

None of the females in my son-in-law's family wear a hijab - and I suspect the same goes on behind closed as in any family. The females most definitely aren't suppressed.

Muslims in the UK come from all sorts of different backgrounds. It's a shame they all get lumped together.

I meant "repressed" not "suppressed"

growstuff

None of the females in my son-in-law's family wear a hijab - and I suspect the same goes on behind closed as in any family. The females most definitely aren't suppressed.

Muslims in the UK come from all sorts of different backgrounds. It's a shame they all get lumped together.

Yes, I agree

It's potentially very damaging to do that

Glorianny Jewish women shaving their heads then wearing wigs is just plain daft.

VioletSky

Women should get to wear what they want

If a woman chooses to wear it, respect her choice

If a woman chooses not to, respect her choice

It's simple

Therefore nothing to celebrate.

Celebrating it is pressuring women.

TerriBull

Well obviously I'd agree with that too Glorianny it's not either or, sexualised children or covered up for their own good. Just standard children's clothing will do.

Exactly so why focus on a hijab?

To each their own.
Nobody can know what goes on behind closed doors.

I had an aunt who always had long, dyed, platinum blonde hair (no boob tubes or minis, from what I can remember)

The point was that it was her (awful) husband who insisted she had long her hair that way - she was totally controlled by him.

Casdon

Urmstongran

Why has the Home Office even got its own Islamic Network? Do they have a Jewish Network or C of E Network? No of course not. 5th columnists spring to mind.

I find it all very worrying.

Yes, they do. There is a Home Office/Civil Service network for every major religion.

Well I never!
I worked for the HO for years and don't remember any of that.

TerriBull

Well obviously I'd agree with that too Glorianny it's not either or, sexualised children or covered up for their own good. Just standard children's clothing will do.

Yes, me too. It is not either/or.

I thought that women covered up either through choice or because the men in their lives insisted, because men considered them to be sexual objects.
It's sad to see little girls covered, and sad if it's thought wrong for them to wear skimpy clothing in hot weather.

It is not women and girls who are sinful and tempting.
It's a man problem.

TerriBull Sat 10-Feb-24 16:41:43

Good post Terribull.

Glorianny

TerriBull

Well obviously I'd agree with that too Glorianny it's not either or, sexualised children or covered up for their own good. Just standard children's clothing will do.

Exactly so why focus on a hijab?

Because that is the reason for the thread?

Furthermore men who are indoctrinated into such religions transfer their collective guilt about sexual desire and put that fairly and squarely onto women and that manifests itself by the men who make themselves The Big I Am in those religions, making women cover up to a greater or lesser extent.

I see no reason why we should celebrate a hijab day anymore than we should have a shaved headed wig wearing women's day or, if it were still a thing in the catholic religion, a mantilla day why? because they would sound ridiculous. It's just endorsing the raison d'etre of the subjugation of women by a load of male clerics

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I thought we lived in a free country which allowed people of different faiths and cultural backgrounds to celebrate those things that are important to them. There are lots of Muslim women who want to wear the hijab out of choice, not because they are being subjected to oppression and there are many who choose not to. Fortunately we are discussing women who live in the UK and not in Afghanistan and who therefore have a choice. In the UK there are many women from all communities that are subject to male oppression, why is there a need to focus on the Muslim community?

"seem" is the operative word in VS post we can never know whether a woman wearing a hijab is doing so of free choice. I completely accept that Muslims are not a homogeneous mass there are versions of that religion as indeed there are of the other Abrahamic faiths and like those there will be those who are born into who have the freedom to merely pay lip service or just became non believers However, lets not forget at the extreme end there are all manner of atrocities committed against women. I find the idea of taking a day to celebrate an aspect of any religious attire bordering on the preposterous. Imagine France endorsing such an idea?

Of course we can but should the supposedly impartial civil service get involved?

There will be women who choose to do so but it is a controversial garment simply because so many other women have no choice and are forced to wear it through fear.
Even in this country.

Government departments should stay out of it.

TerriBull

"seem" is the operative word in VS post we can never know whether a woman wearing a hijab is doing so of free choice. I completely accept that Muslims are not a homogeneous mass there are versions of that religion as indeed there are of the other Abrahamic faiths and like those there will be those who are born into who have the freedom to merely pay lip service or just became non believers However, lets not forget at the extreme end there are all manner of atrocities committed against women. I find the idea of taking a day to celebrate an aspect of any religious attire bordering on the preposterous. Imagine France endorsing such an idea?

It is a protected right to wear an item which is a symbol of faith, as it should be, but an organisation which is part of a government department should not be celebrating a symbol of any particular faith.

fancythat

You wont know what goes on behind closed doors.

That's true. A lot of the women you see out in sexy dresses with their face made up are hiding bruises under that make up.
You can only rely on what they tell you.
Some women choose to wear it. Insisting they are victims or controlled by men is demeaning to them.
Why do women buy sexy underwear?
This is an interesting and informative account of Western imperalist feminism and Muslim liberation including wearing the hijab
www.law.georgetown.edu/immigration-law-journal/blog/the-war-on-muslim-womens-bodies-a-critique-of-western-feminism/

Western feminists call forcing us to strip our clothing liberation, when in reality it is oppression. In all of its cloaking in “feminism,” this narrative still expects women to dress for the male gaze and allows empowerment to turn on whether our sexuality can be publicly consumed by men. This narrative is thus, inherently patriarchal. As Frantz Fanon said, “[t]his woman who sees without being seen frustrates the colonizer.” The attempt to take the Muslim woman’s clothing, is also an effort to make her an object of possession.

I recommend everyone reads Normal Women 900 Years of Making History by Philippa Gregory about male dominance.

It is a protected right to wear an item which is a symbol of faith, as it should be, but an organisation which is part of a government department should not be celebrating a symbol of any particular faith

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