Atlantic Ocean circulation nearing ‘devastating’ tipping point

Thanks, Elegran I was a bit startled by your post

My first post regarding paddy fields in the South West was tongue in cheek.

Now having done some reading it is not beyond the realms of possibility, as long as the fields are sufficiently flooded the other deal breaker is the crop needs for the temperature to be above 15° C for approximately 3 months.

With advances in technology and the dreaded poly tunnels I cannot see any reason not to grow rice in the U.K. if the climate changes predicted materialise.

GrannyGravy13

^I agree there well maybe more rainfall in the future, having monsoon to grow rice is not likely at this latitude^

Sorry Katie59 the attached shows that rice is grown at latitudes further north than the U.K.

It’s not clever calling posters unhinged by the way.

I’m pretty sure they don’t grow rice in Siberia or Alaska although in southern US or Russia with massive irrigation is is possible I’m sure.

GrannyGravy13

My first post regarding paddy fields in the South West was tongue in cheek.

Now having done some reading it is not beyond the realms of possibility, as long as the fields are sufficiently flooded the other deal breaker is the crop needs for the temperature to be above 15° C for approximately 3 months.

With advances in technology and the dreaded poly tunnels I cannot see any reason not to grow rice in the U.K. if the climate changes predicted materialise.

So all these climate prediction are “tongue in cheek and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

That I do agree with

Katie59 do you actually think climate change and it’s consequences are made up?

Katie59

GrannyGravy13

My first post regarding paddy fields in the South West was tongue in cheek.

Now having done some reading it is not beyond the realms of possibility, as long as the fields are sufficiently flooded the other deal breaker is the crop needs for the temperature to be above 15° C for approximately 3 months.

With advances in technology and the dreaded poly tunnels I cannot see any reason not to grow rice in the U.K. if the climate changes predicted materialise.

So all these climate prediction are “tongue in cheek and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

That I do agree with

Of course, Katie59.

A non scientist poster on a message forum making a single jokey prediction (which she subsequently discovered wasn't actually very far fetched) is proof that science based predictions of the effects of climate change shouldn't be taken seriously.

Katie59

GrannyGravy13

My first post regarding paddy fields in the South West was tongue in cheek.

Now having done some reading it is not beyond the realms of possibility, as long as the fields are sufficiently flooded the other deal breaker is the crop needs for the temperature to be above 15° C for approximately 3 months.

With advances in technology and the dreaded poly tunnels I cannot see any reason not to grow rice in the U.K. if the climate changes predicted materialise.

So all these climate prediction are “tongue in cheek and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

That I do agree with

Whose tongue-in-cheek climate predictions are you talking about, Katie? Someone posting what was obviously a humorous aside, lightening the discussion of the possibility of far-reaching modifications to the weather/climate patterns, and their potential side effects, with a mental image of a workforce of matronly retirees in sunny Bournemouth, wearing ccccoolie hats and cotton trousers, knee-deep in muddy water planting rice shoots? Or people who have studied climate and weather patterns for a lifetime, who have experience interpreting data going back thousands of years recorded by humans, and millions of years recorded in core drills and in the rocks under our feet?

GrannyGravy13

Katie59 do you actually think climate change and it’s consequences are made up?

It the extreme predictions of impending doom that seem to be supported on Gransnet that I disagree with.

I also think that the UK has gone too far in its pursuit of zero carbon. All it’s done is increase imports from nations with few goals on climate change, that is part of the reason that the UK economy is so fragile.

Katie59

GrannyGravy13

Katie59 do you actually think climate change and it’s consequences are made up?

It the extreme predictions of impending doom that seem to be supported on Gransnet that I disagree with.

I also think that the UK has gone too far in its pursuit of zero carbon. All it’s done is increase imports from nations with few goals on climate change, that is part of the reason that the UK economy is so fragile.

You do understand the science behind modelling don’t you?

I understand that scientists choose the data points that suit their agenda.
You seem to think that it’s all honest and bias free, everything around climate change is monetarised these days, the more outrageous the prediction the more attention it gets.

SOME scientists analyse their results like that. That is why peer-reviewed studies, (where experienced fellow scientists read ALL the report, including the raw data and the statistical methods employed to reach conclusions, and point out the weak spots in the design, execution and write-up), are more reliable than the mentions by non-scientist journalists who skip over the methods, just read the conclusion and take the "workings" for granted.

Remember when maths exams contained instructions to "show your workings"? You couldn't get away with guessing the answer, or copying it from a friend who had paid attention in class. Teacher could tell whether you really knew what you were doing, or were flying a kite. Peer reviews are like teacher.

I just don't understand why some people are so opposed to the idea of global warming. They seem to think because the recent floods have not affect the whole country GW does not exist. They are ignoring the fact that the ground is waterlogged and there are still large puddles or small lakes on many fields.

There is evidence the world over of climate change and yet the possibility that it is going to cause problems in the near future is denied. The rate of coastal erosion in East Anglia is faster than anticipated with more homes now much closer to the cliff edge than were originally thought to be in danger.

In the Middle Ages Blythburgh near the Suffolk coast was once one of the richest towns in the country because of its port. Dunwich, another thriving town, disappeared under the waves many years ago. Blythburgh is now famous for its church with 12 carved and decorated angels along the central roof beam. It is rumoured that when there is a storm the church bells can be heard from under the sea at Dunwich. The deniers will no doubt use these as examples that coastal erosion has always happened. Which is true but much faster now.

“I just don't understand why some people are so opposed to the idea of global warming. They seem to think because the recent floods have not affect the whole country GW does not exist. They are ignoring the fact that the ground is waterlogged and there are still large puddles or small lakes on many fields.”

Dinahmo, have you always been a pessimist, we have February Filldyke fields are at capacity, reservoirs are full, we have had no prolonged cold spell it’s looking good for the coming year. There are puddles in fields but crops are looking pretty good at present, farmers are looking forward to a dryish March and a warm April.