Azar Ali

bmacca

Louise Ellman, a Labour peer, supported Ali. Not Tobias Elwood’s wife

Oh!

Thanks bmacca

So misinformation, very confusing.

Israeli newspapers reported on the failings of their government and security forces to heed warnings

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-24/ty-article-magazine/.premium/over-a-year-before-october-7-israels-army-had-insight-into-hamas-attack-plan/0000018c-02a2-de3d-af9e-0bf7901b0000

It’s not a case of should he stand for the Labour Party … under electoral rules it’s too late to change.

Israel launches wave of attacks on Lebanon; 'millions in cash' found in tunnel used by wanted Hamas leader
The IDF has launched retaliatory strikes on Lebanon after a deadly rocket attack in the north of the country, hitting "Hezbollah terror targets".

Sky News

Ali was chosen as candidate by Starmer and his supporters which is why I think they made the mistake of trying to defend him. Nandy, Ellman and others including Starmer should have called him out for what he said when they became aware of it

Glorianny some reaction to the post by Annie1 , uncalled for, it touched a nerve ?

Yeah, def touched a nerve!😁
Was it the Communist bit?

Not sure abut what he actually said and in what context, but was he criticising the actions of the Israeli government?

I wonder if they are confusing Antisemitism with Anti-Israeli action? While Judaism IS the national religion of Israel, there are more people of Jewish faith outside of the country than in, and more whose nationality is not Israeli than is.

People apologise when they are caught out!
These MPs should remember that they are citizens of the UK, representing other British citizens in British constituencies. They are not MPs for Gaza, Pakistan or anywhere else and they are saying things they may or may not believe just to keep their seats, not for what is the good of this country.
People’s first allegiance should be to this country.

He's not an MP

Nor is he going to be an MP, not for the foreseeable future anyway.

MayBee70

Glorianny

Anniel

It has long been my belief that the far left have a problem with Jews and this article says it better than I can

Why the left has a problem with antisemitism

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/77e95c4c-287b-42d6-a5d6-ca590c32ca7b?shareToken=4d47e48bf5e851c411c00ef6daff2a68

I hope it opens and that I have managed to defeat the paywall

What a lot of out dated shite. No one I know who supports Gaza and the Palestinians, and finds the actions of Israel unacceptable, does so on the basis of out dated communist doctrines. Some of the younger people I know wouldn't have a clue about them anyway. What they do have is a strong and abiding commitment to human rights, and they have watched for many years the rights of the Palestinians being denied, and Israel controlling and dictating every aspect of their lives.
They do not support Hamas, but they understand that when there is no other way to go, people will rebel.
What we are seeing now is the ultimate failure of the international community to reign in the state of Israel, and to make it abide by international law. Perhaps one of the reasons for this failure is the inability of some to accept that criticism of Israel, and support for Palestinians ,and Gaza is absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism, colonialism, or communism. It's quite simply the belief that people should not be trapped in a country under what is in effect an occupation, which denies them access to utilities, restricts their development, and controls any movement.
Apart from anything else treating people in such a way acts as recruitment for bodies like Hamas.

I agree.

As do I, Eloquently and forcibly put. Being disgusted by Netanyahu is not anti -semitic, and those who do not understand the difference should not be throwing accusations around. There are protests in Israel against him, are those protestors anti-semitic too?

Wasn’t the IDL refusing to support Netanyahoo prior to the attacks?

HousePlantQueen

MayBee70

Glorianny

Anniel

It has long been my belief that the far left have a problem with Jews and this article says it better than I can

Why the left has a problem with antisemitism

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/77e95c4c-287b-42d6-a5d6-ca590c32ca7b?shareToken=4d47e48bf5e851c411c00ef6daff2a68

I hope it opens and that I have managed to defeat the paywall

What a lot of out dated shite. No one I know who supports Gaza and the Palestinians, and finds the actions of Israel unacceptable, does so on the basis of out dated communist doctrines. Some of the younger people I know wouldn't have a clue about them anyway. What they do have is a strong and abiding commitment to human rights, and they have watched for many years the rights of the Palestinians being denied, and Israel controlling and dictating every aspect of their lives.
They do not support Hamas, but they understand that when there is no other way to go, people will rebel.
What we are seeing now is the ultimate failure of the international community to reign in the state of Israel, and to make it abide by international law. Perhaps one of the reasons for this failure is the inability of some to accept that criticism of Israel, and support for Palestinians ,and Gaza is absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism, colonialism, or communism. It's quite simply the belief that people should not be trapped in a country under what is in effect an occupation, which denies them access to utilities, restricts their development, and controls any movement.
Apart from anything else treating people in such a way acts as recruitment for bodies like Hamas.

I agree.

As do I, Eloquently and forcibly put. Being disgusted by Netanyahu is not anti -semitic, and those who do not understand the difference should not be throwing accusations around. There are protests in Israel against him, are those protestors anti-semitic too?

Having read the Times article, I also think it's a load of rubbish, Baron Finkelstein has his own agenda and a platform at his disposal. Below, part of his article:
"So it doesn’t matter if a group jails opponents or rapes women or throws gay people from buildings. As long as they help bring down capitalism — which, as anti-imperialists, they do — they are liberating forces and their other faults will dissolve once capitalism dissolves. Even the murderous, oppressive Houthis are “heroes” according to this calculation."
Anyone on here recognise this as their motivation for being against Netanyahu and his vile govt? No, I didn't think so.

Could someone more au fait with politics perhaps explain who is funding Azhar Ali as an independent candidate now he no longer represents Labour?

The Red Flag ?

Mollygo

Could someone more au fait with politics perhaps explain who is funding Azhar Ali as an independent candidate now he no longer represents Labour?

I don’t think that it is required for him to disclose that as an independent candidate is it? Interesting to find out though it would be, it will be between him and his conscience.

On North West tonight one of three members of the public interviewed, commenting on yet another suspended MP’s comments, said that the MP was probably saying what his constituents think and he (member of public) was with him.

GrannyGravy13

Nick Thomas-Symonds & Lisa Nandy both spoke up in support for Azar Ali…

Whilst the details are hazy for me as I only returned from New Zealand yesterday, which entails some 30+ hours travelling, I understand Mr Ali has made a, or some, anti semitic remarks.
If Lisa Nandy has spoken up in defence of him, then I’m very disappointed in her. I’ve always had a lot of time for her, but defence of antisemitism is indefensible.

Defending antisemitism is going against Labour Party

I really smile at some posts. So supporting the Palestinians is not support for Hamas? Who else represents these poor Palestinians? Surely Hamas knew that the horrific murders they carried out in Israel? They virtually asked for what happened! I note none of the countries in the area are welcoming in Palestinians while they rebuild Gaza. There is enough money in the Middle East to rebuild. Glorianni’s intemperate language does not change anything.
I presume you have heard thst the supporters of Palestine have now descrnded on Bournemouth to harrass Tobias Ellwood’s home . His children were there. So now any politician who does not suppory their cause will get a visit. Maybe Sir Keir will get a vidit. This type of intimidation is not acceptable, Iain Dale is discussing this matter right now on LBC. Msybe you should listen and see what the population has to say.. i could never do such a thing and i do not think msny grans would either. One good thing is Sir Keir getting rid of the far left in govt.

foxie48

So it doesn’t matter if a group jails opponents or rapes women or throws gay people from buildings. As long as they help bring down capitalism — which, as anti-imperialists, they do — they are liberating forces and their other faults will dissolve once capitalism dissolves. Even the murderous, oppressive Houthis are “heroes” according to this calculation."

Anyone on here recognise this as their motivation for being against Netanyahu and his vile govt? No, I didn't think so.

It's a piece of nonsense isn't it?

The Baron used to sit on the Board of Directors - or Governors, or whatever they are of the Gatestone Institute - one of a number of "think tanks" - this one's raison d'être appeared to be to keep up a steady stream of anti-Muslim pieces, which even he ultimately decided he didn't agree with, and resigned / left.

As far as I can make out, the "Left" are a fairly broad church - some veer to the left of Left and others more to the right (and both criticise the other) so "the Left", like "the Right" depends very much on the political motives of those describing each.

I know some think of terrorists as freedom-fighters, but I believe they're mostly spotty youths with raging hormones (Momentum?)

Having said that, there are those on the Left who seem to bend themselves out of shape in an effort to defend some of the more pernicious interpretations of Islam, decrying anyone who dares to condemn or criticise the cultural practices that are in direct opposition to our democracy, as being racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, etc.

FranP

Not sure abut what he actually said and in what context, but was he criticising the actions of the Israeli government?

I wonder if they are confusing Antisemitism with Anti-Israeli action? While Judaism IS the national religion of Israel, there are more people of Jewish faith outside of the country than in, and more whose nationality is not Israeli than is.

He was repeating a conspiracy theory as though it was The Truth.

Lisa Nandy and Louise Ellman accepted his apology so ‘supported’ him, based in that and their long political friendships with Mr Ali. Once further comments were published, he had to go. Louise Ellman (Jewish in case anyone asks) had talked about his friendship and support when she was subjected to anti semitism

Dickens

foxie48

So it doesn’t matter if a group jails opponents or rapes women or throws gay people from buildings. As long as they help bring down capitalism — which, as anti-imperialists, they do — they are liberating forces and their other faults will dissolve once capitalism dissolves. Even the murderous, oppressive Houthis are “heroes” according to this calculation."

Anyone on here recognise this as their motivation for being against Netanyahu and his vile govt? No, I didn't think so.

It's a piece of nonsense isn't it?

The Baron used to sit on the Board of Directors - or Governors, or whatever they are of the Gatestone Institute - one of a number of "think tanks" - this one's raison d'être appeared to be to keep up a steady stream of anti-Muslim pieces, which even he ultimately decided he didn't agree with, and resigned / left.

As far as I can make out, the "Left" are a fairly broad church - some veer to the left of Left and others more to the right (and both criticise the other) so "the Left", like "the Right" depends very much on the political motives of those describing each.

I know some think of terrorists as freedom-fighters, but I believe they're mostly spotty youths with raging hormones (Momentum?)

Having said that, there are those on the Left who seem to bend themselves out of shape in an effort to defend some of the more pernicious interpretations of Islam, decrying anyone who dares to condemn or criticise the cultural practices that are in direct opposition to our democracy, as being racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, etc.

Indeed it is and there's an awful lot of Anti -Muslim rhetoric around ATM, which IMHO is as dangerous and pernicious as the anti semitism that creeps out of the woodwork. It speaks of "othering" people rather than recognising our common humanity. Just very sad. I asked a question about what is justifiable yesterday, instead of getting an answer, I got reported! Well, there's a first but my post remains! I'd like to ask that question again, what is a justifiable response to the vile atrocities committed by Hamas? What is acceptable? At what point do we say, enough is enough, children dying on the streets of Gaza is not acceptable? Depriving fellow humans of water, shelter and food has to stop because it is wrong. Perhaps those who believe it is right to kill people because they might be supporters of Hamas or they might have voted for them in 2006 can make their case. I just don't get it, so convince me and whilst you are about it, try to convince Biden, because he is desperate for Netanyahu to stop his massacre.

Why oh why must the children card be played ? Hamas are certainly playing it.

I know some think of terrorists as freedom-fighters, but I believe they're mostly spotty youths with raging hormones (Momentum?)

🤔 I can't subscribe to that.
Some are educated, sophisticated and very very wealthy people.
But I would say that yes, they are mostly men.