Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t think anyone has suggested that most Londoners are Muslim CoolCoco. But that day will come.

Rivers of blood

Glorrianny
I deliberately mentioned the gun lobby in America, which is of course a different subject, but I knew someone would mention it if I didn’t.
It doesn’t alter the fact that 3000 people of every creed and colour were murdered in that attack.
No justification required Glorrianny.

Yes, if you like.

I am perfectly able to think without direction from the Tories thanks.

Galaxy

Deaths by terrorism in the Uak what does that look like?

This is the most interesting article I could find. There are plenty out there, if only folk got their heads out the Daily Mail 🙄

What’s the Uak?

Oh and culture war and far right are meaningless to me now. My values tend to include avoiding minimising the use of swastikas, condeming people announcing that Jews should hide their faith, condeming unspeakable slogans waved or projected in the streets of London, if that makes me far right so be it. Use any term you like to describe my position.

Sorry Maddy, fat fingers it should say UK.

Galaxy

I agree with your post at 10.37 Galaxy and I believe reasonable people would do so too.

I roo can think for myself without direction from the government or anyone else.

Whitewavemark2

Does anyone remember a particular group of Tories - largely led by the likes of Braverman and her cronies who announced that they intended to fight a cultural war before the election in order to attract the islamophobic vote - they hoped to spread fear.

It is working isn’t it?

You're back 😁

This is one of my favourite songs and most appropriate for this thread.

Have I gone mad?
Or have we all gone back a century?
To the black and white days of a life elementary
It's like we're all living in an old documentary
Or in nineteen thirty four
You'd think we'd have learned from the last generation
But now they're all gone so it's all speculation
You can rewrite the books for the good of the nation
But nobody wins a war

Rise up rise up
Bring your flags and your banners
We'll sing and we'll march to the beat
It's time for another Battle of Cable Street

We created a space for debate and discussions
Now people spout hate without repercussions
We're all in the hands of machines and the Russians
The curtain is really a wall
And everything's filtered so we don't see the tensions
It's all about likes and follows and mentions
And he who comes up with the maddest inventions
Well he may still yet save us all

Rise up rise up
For the twentieth century seems to be stuck on repeat
And no one remembers the Battle of Cable Street
Oh you fools you fools
With your greed and your rules
And your rage and your airs and graces
One hundred billion born on this planet
There's never once been born a racist
Well I met a man on the buses in Wapping
He was wittering on about the cost of his shopping
And the foreign invasion
There's no sign of it stopping
Look what they've done to my home
Theres two colours he said
There's white and there's rosy
I said you listen to me and you listen closely
Remember what happened to that swine Oswald Mosely
He crawled right back under his stone

Rise up rise up
Let's trample and crush all the fascists here under our feet
Just like we did at the Battle of Cable Street

Rise up rise up
There's still time for us to snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat
Just like we did at the battle of Cable Street

Rise up rise up
I can't offer much
But a shelter and something to eat
Then we rise at dawn
For the battle of Cable Street

(Spaces might be in the wrong place!)

I'm in!

😊

There are some ludicrous statements here. No go areas because of the increase in mosques and Muslims. Immigrants always tend to live near each other - we have areas that traditionally attracted Irish, West Indians, Jewish, Polish, Ukrainians, Italians etc etc. it’s not unknown for people to move out to the suburbs as they build successful lives.

Galaxy

Oh and culture war and far right are meaningless to me now. My values tend to include avoiding minimising the use of swastikas, condeming people announcing that Jews should hide their faith, condeming unspeakable slogans waved or projected in the streets of London, if that makes me far right so be it. Use any term you like to describe my position.

But you're not promulgating ridiculous ideas of London or the UK being taken over by Muslims.

If one isn’t far left one must be far right and read the Daily Mail

Anniebach

If one isn’t far left one must be far right and read the Daily Mail

😂😂😂

Fence sitting is so hard on the backside

No I am not. I am also not playing top trumps newspaper readership, and am not distracting from the truth about deaths from terrorism in the UK. If you have to avoid telling the truth for your cause (not you specifically) in my experience it doesnt work.

I know lots of really nice Daily Mail readers, they mostly work in care, doing the jobs many others wont.
I am also aware of the testimony of female writers at the Guardian who describe the unpleasant misogyny there.
It's just more division the whole Daily Mail thing.

I am not sure that anyone has ever accused me of being far right, but I read the Daily Mail, and Mail on Sunday, and the i and the Observer, and the local paper and, at times the Guardian and Daily Telegraph.

I am not sure what that tells you about my politics.

It tells us you like to read a wide range of opinions Monica.
I downloaded The Mail to my iPad because I wanted to see what many on here were complaining about. Unfortunately they’ve recently put many of the more interesting articles (the ones worth reading) behind a paywall and I don’t want to pay for it, so much of what is available is twaddle about celebrities now.
I also read The Guardian online and although they often urge me to pay for more stories, I don’t want to. They don’t show me five lines of a story though and then put the rest behind a paywall.

Galaxy

I know lots of really nice Daily Mail readers, they mostly work in care, doing the jobs many others wont.
I am also aware of the testimony of female writers at the Guardian who describe the unpleasant misogyny there.
It's just more division the whole Daily Mail thing.

I also know Daily Mail readers who are friendly. But their politics stink.🤷

And at no point have I detracted from the fact that there are very real Islamist terror threats in the UK. But to tar all people of Islam with the same brush, is wrong and unfair. We are not being "taken over" by these wonderful, kind people who will call you "brother" or "sister" when working alongside them. They are some of the kindest people I know. They KNOW they are disliked by many in this country. What a way to live 😢

I find lots of the politics of many Guardian readers (I used to be one) unpleasant, again it's just further division.
Those who read different papers, or have different politics also know how they are seen by many in this country. Well actually not by many, it is rather a powerful section of the country who make a lot of noise.

No go areas because of the increase in mosques and Muslims.
I don't think anyone suggested that. All areas of London are go areas, and no one is preventing anyone from accessing any zone or district. If, however, one feels a certain amount of trepidation walking amongst a particular group who are being antagonistic, then that is different.

I subscribe to the Guardian, Telegraph, Washington Post and New European and am an avid Googler. In every publication I find views I agree with and some I don't!

Back to the topic, according to the 2021 census 6% of the population said they were Muslim. This 6% will represent a very wide range of views and religious observance.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/constituency-data-religion/
Social cohesion comes from tolerance and this current rise in Islamaphobia is very destructive and based on untruths. Most Muslims, like most Christians, Jews and those of us without faith are law abiding people who are more interested in the well being of their family and neighbours than creating disorder. Putting the spotlight on the behaviour of a minority of people and suggesting they are representative of the whole is a recipe for creating dissent as well as being frankly "racist". I've used that word because IMO that is what it is. By all means abhor the behaviour of those showing anti semitic behaviour on the marches as I do but do not suggest they represent "Muslims" or "Arabs" because they do not. They represent a small vocal section of people on the marches with extreme racist views. If we agree with people like Anderson we are doing the work of extremists for them because they thrive on social chaos and disorder.

Christianity is still statistically the biggest religion in the UK. Muslims currently make up under 7% of our overall population and is the second largest religion, followed by Hinduism.

I feel quite shocked by some of the comments on here! I live in Essex, only a 45 mins train ride from London, where I worked for many years in the private sector before becoming a Civil Servant much later in my professional life.

I’ve had the pleasure of working with many different diverse communities, I’ve met and know many, many peaceful and hardworking Muslims.

My adult children regularly travel to London for both work and leisure, I NEVER worry about them, one travels every week to London with no worries or issues.

Unlike some people I don’t confuse ISIS and Islam, just like I don’t consider all Germans to be Nazi, all Irish to be IRA etc etc.

When did we become so intolerant and such utter hypocrites? Historically “we” Brits only owned the commonwealth/empires through battles and war, insisting those people learn English and adopt Christianity because we were “educating” them.

There are good and bad people of all nationalities/religions/colours/creeds and I accept that and wouldn’t write off an entire section of society because a proportion of them are extremists.

Our govt should lead by example, their conduct in our HoC has been reprehensible and some of the language used across the last few years shocking and unacceptable.