Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Incidentally if you bother to research and Google, you’ll find plenty of examples of individuals and groups with the UK charged with far right action, hate crime and more serious crimes. We have issues in our country with the far right

Vikram Dodd Police and crime correspondent writing in The Guardian in 2022.

In MI5’s London headquarters there is a top secret grid, on which is ranked the top terrorist plots absorbing the attention and resources of the security services and police.

While 15 years ago it was dominated by Islamist plotters, in recent years the most severe threats to the country’s national security feature people planning atrocities linked to extreme rightwing ideology.

Between March 2017 and March 2022, counter-terrorism police and the intelligence services have stopped 32 plots they assess as aiming to cause mass casualties on British soil. Of these they assess 18 were Islamist related, and 12 were triggered by extreme rightwing terrorist ideology. The other two were linked to category known as left, anarchist or single-issue terrorism (LASIT).

The last one to get through and kill was Darren Osborne, who drove a van into worshippers outside Finsbury Park mosque in north London in 2017, leaving one person dead … Osbourne read internet propaganda from Tommy Robinson, the founder of the English Defence League and material from Britain First, another extremist hate group.

In March 2022, assistant commissioner Matt Jukes, head of counter-terrorism, said that 19 out of 20 children who were arrested in the previous 12 months for terrorism offences were linked to an extreme rightwing ideology.

Those falling for rightwing hate and then breaking terrorism laws were younger than those falling for Islamist hate, with techniques including online content based on violent video games shaped to indoctrinate them.

Jukes said that 41% of counter-terrorism arrests in 2021 were of extreme right wing suspects.

Several incidents that have occurred in public bodies. A Jewish father had his baby daughter's birth certificate returned from the Home Office defaced and with the child's place of birth scrawled out.

Jewish employees within the BBC have stated they feel it's a grim and frightening place to be Jewish these days. Hardly surprising as former employee of the organisation, Dawn Queva, described Jews as "Nazi parasites" among other unbelievably racist tropes she put out on line before she was eventually sacked but not before time, it appeared she was doing this for a while. It would seem that there is a reluctance a general malaise even in the willingness to investigate such misdemeanours hoping that they will just slip under the radar, until quite rightly they are brought to the public's attention.

Kandinsky

Question being avoided again.

“Muslim extremists can blow up innocent people and it’s almost overlooked, swept under the carpet. And I’ll never know why some people are doing that.”

Sorry to be so blunt, but your statement is utter nonsense! We ALL, condemn ANY extreme violence and killings carried out by ANY groups. We simply haven’t condemned ALL Muslims, as some on here seem keen to do. No one on Gransnet, to my knowledge, has ever applauded or ignored any terrorist activity.

It's not the so called far right projecting obscene messages on the Elizabeth Tower condemning Jews is it however much some posters would wish it was. It's not the far right or the Jews it's people of the Muslim faith who are causing our MPs to be frightened to voice their opinions re Gaza incase they are subjected to intimidation or worse. Bombings, terror attacks, who mostly carry out these atrocities out in Britain I think most know the answer.

Nicenanny3

It's not the so called far right projecting obscene messages on the Elizabeth Tower condemning Jews is it however much some posters would wish it was. It's not the far right or the Jews it's people of the Muslim faith who are causing our MPs to be frightened to voice their opinions re Gaza incase they are subjected to intimidation or worse. Bombings, terror attacks, who mostly carry out these atrocities out in Britain I think most know the answer.

Who said it was the far right?

It's not the vast majority of Muslims either, but you wouldn't know it from the dog whistle Islamophobia from posts such as this.

14:44growstuff

Yawn 🥱

HousePlantQueen

nanna8

Is the Jewish community that small? Or is it because the Jewish people don’t always want to let people know they are Jewish because they fear persecution and discrimination?

the figures are based on the last census.

There wasn't an actual question asking if people were Jewish. Only questions about religion.

Nicenanny3

14:44growstuff

Yawn 🥱

Quite agree! That's how I feel when I read ignorant, bigoted Islamophobic posts. I try to forget that such people who make them exist, so I try to ignore them.

Ilovecheese

HousePlantQueen

nanna8

Is the Jewish community that small? Or is it because the Jewish people don’t always want to let people know they are Jewish because they fear persecution and discrimination?

the figures are based on the last census.

There wasn't an actual question asking if people were Jewish. Only questions about religion.

But if people aren't practising Jews and don't self-identify as "cultural" Jews, so didn't tick the "Jewish" box, they're not Jews. They're human beings whose ancestors happened to believe in a certain religion. There's no such thing as a Jewish, Muslim or Christian gene.

15:11growstuff

Yawn 🥱so predictable from you name calling other posters but heyho who cares 😊

Ilovecheese

Anna Soubry was jostled and shouted at by brexiteers. I don't remember the same outcry about that.

In the street.

Rachel Reeves was canvassing for the Labour Party, a group of women followed her demanding she speak to them, she was working, she asked if they were from her constituency, reply - ‘no, I am a Muslim, a tax payer , I live in this country’

Threats and attacks on politicians have become more commonplace as we all know as are gangs of protestors outside MPs private homes.

It is no wonder politicians don't want to engage with people shouting and demanding they speak to them in the street.

Being Jewish is a race, not a religion. There are many secular Jews. You are correct there is no gene for being a Jew, but it is still a race. People cannot stop being Jewish in the way that people can stop being Muslim or Christian.

growstuff

MissAdventure

Being a muslim doesn't mean being a particular race, so how can it be racism?

There is only one race - the human race.

However, it's true that Muslims aren't one nationality.

There is only one race - the human race.

Biologically, yes but sociologically, of course there are different races although some may disagree about classification.
If it were not so, there would be no need for Race Relation Acts.

The video upset me, the women followed Rachel down a road
asking ‘do you have a daughter Rachel’ , someone in the group
video it and put it on uTube , so all planned

Callistemon21

Ilovecheese

Anna Soubry was jostled and shouted at by brexiteers. I don't remember the same outcry about that.

In the street.

Rachel Reeves was canvassing for the Labour Party, a group of women followed her demanding she speak to them, she was working, she asked if they were from her constituency, reply - ‘no, I am a Muslim, a tax payer , I live in this country’

Threats and attacks on politicians have become more commonplace as we all know as are gangs of protestors outside MPs private homes.

It is no wonder politicians don't want to engage with people shouting and demanding they speak to them in the street.

One woman followed her asking her to answer questions. Rachel's answer seemed to be that the woman wasn't a constituent. Interestingly if you watch carefully many of the people standing there (some Muslim women and a possibly Muslim man) are not actually lobbying Rachel. They are there to canvass for her. The woman asking the questions asks them at the end "How can you support her?" A classic example of a group of people all being labelled as something simply because of their appearance. Islamophobia in action
www.google.com/search?q=Rachel+Reeves+and+muslim+womn&oq=Rachel+Reeves+and+muslim+womn&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAHSAQkxMTk2OWowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:b27d3b09

There's a parliamentary protocol that MPs don't (and shouldn't) respond to general questions from people who aren't constituents.

How you can’t see from the YouTube film that that was a set up beats me Glorianny.

growstuff

There's a parliamentary protocol that MPs don't (and shouldn't) respond to general questions from people who aren't constituents.

Fair enough but she was not as has been stated on these threads harassed by a crowd of Muslim women. One woman followed her. If you look carefully you can see many of the others are wearing red badges they were actually canvassing with Rachel.
But they were Muslims, so of course they must have been threatening her musn't they?

Anderson has had the whip removed, a good decision.

Kandinsky, what do you mean about london being taken over ?

That was the only outcome possible.
And a thought provoking piece by Laura Kuennsberg on the threat MPs face.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68391742

Casdon

How you can’t see from the YouTube film that that was a set up beats me Glorianny.

What does it matter if it was a "set up". Are all the Muslims present harassing Rachel? Or are some of them canvassing for her? It isn't even her inability to answer a question that is important. If all those people had been white and without headscarves do you suppose anyone would have posted "British women followed her"

foxie48

Anderson has had the whip removed, a good decision.

The decision to sanction Anderson gives the correct message to all those trying to excuse his behaviour.

It is not acceptable.

It is not correct

It shows a degree of ignorance that no political party should find acceptable.

The fact that he felt able to make his comments on GBNews should alarm many bells, when the owner a right wing activist who has made outrageous comments on Twitter is also trying to buy The Telegraph.

No point in trying to find his comments - he has “hidden” them and in quite a few post has deleted them.

foxie48

Anderson has had the whip removed, a good decision.

Only decision that could have been taken.