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Islamaphobia is getting out of control

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Feb-24 07:13:37

We have Braverman and Anderson stirring up the most awful Islamaphobia.

I don’t think that we have ever had British MPs saying such racist and hateful rhetoric since Mosely. They are being backed by the worst sort of editorship. It is so redolent of the 20s and 30s.

Jewish and Christian leaders are calling for it to stop, as well as Tories who see this as a disaster for their party, as it will never ever end well.

Rory Stewart

This idea that “London is in the grip of Islamists” is deluded and it’s awful - an obsession that thrives among a bizarre and dangerous coalition. No conservative MP should ever be spouting this stuff.

Casdon Sun 25-Feb-24 08:23:59

Kandinsky

*Because he is popular? He is doing stuff Londoners like? He isn’t corrupt*

He definitely isn’t popular & he’s not doing stuff Londoners like. I live here.

He gets voted in because London has a very high Muslim population - and they vote him in.

That doesn’t stack up Kandinsky, there are 1.3m Muslims out of 9m Londoners (2021 figures).

Whitewavemark2 Sun 25-Feb-24 08:25:17

Snap.

You know I said that Islamaphobia is getting out of control……..

😄😄😄

Kandinsky Sun 25-Feb-24 08:30:14

Whitewavemark2

Can you please stop putting your passive aggressive smiley faces after most of posts.
I don’t know what you find so hilarious about these debates that you start?
It’s childish as best, and a bit creepy.

Kandinsky Sun 25-Feb-24 08:33:24

Casdon

You’re assuming all 9 million Londoners vote.
you know voter turn out is pathetic in many elections, so you can cut that 9 million in half for a start.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 25-Feb-24 08:42:04

Kandinsky

Whitewavemark2

Can you please stop putting your passive aggressive smiley faces after most of posts.
I don’t know what you find so hilarious about these debates that you start?
It’s childish as best, and a bit creepy.

You may not be aware that I endeavour never ever to become personal in any of my posts.

It gets us nowhere.

🙂

Casdon Sun 25-Feb-24 08:45:29

Kandinsky

Casdon

You’re assuming all 9 million Londoners vote.
you know voter turn out is pathetic in many elections, so you can cut that 9 million in half for a start.

Okay, so if half of Londoners vote, and all Muslims vote there would be 1.3m Muslims out of 4.5m total voters, so 3.2 non Muslim voters. It still doesn’t stack up. Obviously some are children so not eligible to vote, but that would apply to all groups.

Kandinsky Sun 25-Feb-24 08:49:51

I’ll just leave you two to it.
You’re on a wind up and I doubt you’re really that interested in debate.
You just seem bored and looking for arguments.

Someone else can indulge you.

maddyone Sun 25-Feb-24 09:00:31

Whitewavemark2

maddyone

I expect that you would feel very different about the ULEZ charge if you had young children suffering because of car pollution every day of their lives.

To the rest of us it is a mild irritant to a young child it is their life.

I have asthma which is probably why I was so ill when I caught Covid.
I’m aware of the problems of air pollution. Heathrow has no housing in the area where you pick up passengers, it’s money making pure and simple.

Casdon Sun 25-Feb-24 09:03:21

Kandinsky

I’ll just leave you two to it.
You’re on a wind up and I doubt you’re really that interested in debate.
You just seem bored and looking for arguments.

Someone else can indulge you.

No wind up. I just can’t stand hyperbole.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 25-Feb-24 09:06:31

I agree with you Kandinsky. Not so very long ago we were a Christian country - the day will come when we are a predominantly Muslim country. I’m not happy about the change - if anyone wants to call that Islamophobia so be it. I don’t like the thought of being outnumbered in my own country. What Anderson said wasn’t far off the mark.

Chocolatelovinggran Sun 25-Feb-24 09:15:17

SeaWoozle and Maybee, 30p Lee makes me think of the scarecow song from The Wizard of Oz : " If I only had a brain". Can't comment on his heart.

Aveline Sun 25-Feb-24 09:16:18

I just read something interesting which made me think. Hinduism. These people don't make aggressive claims. No terrorists. They live and let live and generally just get on. Hence there's no Hinduphobia. What is so special about Islam or Judaism that so many demands are made by them?

Anniebach Sun 25-Feb-24 09:18:50

What demands are made by Jews ?

Iam64 Sun 25-Feb-24 09:23:33

Casdon

Kandinsky

I’ll just leave you two to it.
You’re on a wind up and I doubt you’re really that interested in debate.
You just seem bored and looking for arguments.

Someone else can indulge you.

No wind up. I just can’t stand hyperbole.

Kadinsky, fwiw I see your posts as the wind ups. You’re also sailing very close to Islamophobia.

Primrose53 Sun 25-Feb-24 09:23:54

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree with you Kandinsky. Not so very long ago we were a Christian country - the day will come when we are a predominantly Muslim country. I’m not happy about the change - if anyone wants to call that Islamophobia so be it. I don’t like the thought of being outnumbered in my own country. What Anderson said wasn’t far off the mark.

100% 👏👏

Aveline Sun 25-Feb-24 09:25:28

Anniebach- Palestine!!

Iam64 Sun 25-Feb-24 09:26:39

It really isn’t down to Muslims that white British people are increasingly unlikely to identify as Christians.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 25-Feb-24 09:29:03

I agree Iam - but white British people will be in the minority.

Joseann Sun 25-Feb-24 09:34:52

I lived bang next to the Regent's Park Mosque when it was first opened, late 1970's. I'm not saying it was a popular addition to the community, but there were certainly no attacks and no protests around it in those days. There were no protection officers and no obvious security or cctv. Infact it existed quietly, (except at prayer time), alongside daily life. No fear, no hostility either way. That was not so very long again.
All I can think is that it is the sheer increase in number if Muslims and their demonstrative behaviour that has give rise to an increase in Islamophobia.
(Not spelt Islamaphobia).

Joseann Sun 25-Feb-24 09:35:46

*ago not again

Iam64 Sun 25-Feb-24 09:36:18

The world is changing - as it has in the past. There are wars and famine leading to safe Northern Europe having to accommodate people fleeing to safety. Many of those who land on our shores have family or historical links. English may be a 2nd language because of empire/colonisation

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 25-Feb-24 09:38:39

And as a result ‘safe Northern Europe’ becomes much less so.

maddyone Sun 25-Feb-24 09:41:10

Spain, Portugal, Holland, and France all had empires. Spanish is the second most usual language spoken in the world I believe, but I think Mandarin/Chinese may be getting quite close.
Just saying out of interest.

maddyone Sun 25-Feb-24 09:47:10

Germanshepherdsmum

And as a result ‘safe Northern Europe’ becomes much less so.

Clearly Europe is not as safe as it used to be in view of the many terrorist attacks that have taken place in the last few years. Nor America either after the twin towers (alongside their awful gun crime statistics.)
Whilst the majority of immigrants of all faiths settle in Europe peacefully, I simply don’t understand the mindset that brings some people to Europe and then to attack them.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 25-Feb-24 09:49:06

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree with you Kandinsky. Not so very long ago we were a Christian country - the day will come when we are a predominantly Muslim country. I’m not happy about the change - if anyone wants to call that Islamophobia so be it. I don’t like the thought of being outnumbered in my own country. What Anderson said wasn’t far off the mark.

Sounds very much like “rivers of blood” to me.

Wrong then and wrong now.