The new Rwanda Plan

Another 132 on 3 boats arrived yesterday that makes it over 1,000 in just 8 days. The people smuggling gangs are laughing all the way to the bank.

As for Rwanda after seeing the UK news today stabbings, cut up torso found etc it's probably safer there. Ireland are probably correct the UK is not a safe country 🙁

Is it safe to put a toe back into the water? Has all the deflection/ distraction/pearl clutching gone away yet?I was thinking of writing to The Guinness Book Of Records about it.

Over a 1,000 in just 8 days and warmer weather to come, just think about it!
Something had better work, Rwanda, Ireland or our inept pen pushers at the Home Office better start doing some work.
Germany can do it.

The people of Germany will regret Mutti's wilkommenskultur.
It's sounding as if the people of Ireland will regret it too. Still, it's a break from hating the English.
😁

Rwanda has a brilliant reconciliation program going on.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001xwmv

Urmstongran

The people of Germany will regret Mutti's wilkommenskultur.
It's sounding as if the people of Ireland will regret it too. Still, it's a break from hating the English.
😁

What all the people? 84.7 million Germans? Amazing.

Urmstongran

The people of Germany will regret Mutti's wilkommenskultur.
It's sounding as if the people of Ireland will regret it too. Still, it's a break from hating the English.
😁

The Germans have another word which seems appropriate to this post: Schadenfreude.

As for Rwanda after seeing the UK news today stabbings, cut up torso found etc it's probably safer there.

Bye bye then! When are you going?

Urmstongran

Bet you’re fun at a party growstuff.

What a nasty comment!

I just happen to take professionalism and the security of the country seriously (unlike your idol Mr Johnson).

I think I know who is being nasty here.

growstuff

Oreo

All this saintly tut tutting about the guy maybe talking out of turn are just a distraction from the subject, ooh look a squirrel!
They don’t like illegal migration being talked about cos they feel ‘so sorry’ about people just wanting ‘a better life’.They don’t care about the strain on the NHS, schools and dentists and ultimately the tax payer and want to turn a blind eye to any religious, cultural or other problems as well as the fact that many may have criminal records.

If the NHS, schools, dentists and religious/cultural problems are the issue, why does the country allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants into the country legally? The UK has (and did have even when we were in the EU) total control over the majority of immigration.

I dont think it is the maybe majority of immigrants that are needed to help the UK, being talked about is it.

Prior to 1994 or whatever, the system worked well.

I couldnt tell you what changed, but I expect others could.

growstuff

*As for Rwanda after seeing the UK news today stabbings, cut up torso found etc it's probably safer there.*

Bye bye then! When are you going?

I/we actually travel abroad a lot and not just Europe I've been all over the world so yes good idea perhaps if I see a good flight deal on Jack's Club I'll book it.

growstuff

Urmstongran

Bet you’re fun at a party growstuff.

What a nasty comment!

I just happen to take professionalism and the security of the country seriously (unlike your idol Mr Johnson).

You can join me in the kitchen at parties growstuff. These ladies are there too, I can promise a good time.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=7rQxorVNADA

To be fair, it was a bit of tit for tat!
Calm down dears, it's only a discussion forum.

(Ducks for cover and leaves)
Now, where's that party?

You’re welcome in the kitchen as long as you don’t leave the stuff piled up, piled up in the sink Callistemon21.

It’s still tittle tattle. If I were part of a conversation in which that kind of information were discussed, I'd report it to the appropriate authorities

My comment ‘I bet you’re fun at a party growstuff’ was in answer to this. It just seemed so po-faced I couldn’t resist.

Probably shouldn’t have responded. Usually I don’t. A knee jerk reaction from me.

growstuff

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

not nice to correct spelling LizzieDrip. You should know better.

Are you expecting a medal because you don’t read or watch certain news channels or papers? 🤣

I told you the other day I get my info from a Border Force senior official.

In that case, the official should be sacked. It is not permissible for a Border Force official to tittle tattle to anybody else, who might then spread the information elsewhere (as you have done Primrose53).

My daughter works in HR for the National Crime Agency. It's no secret what areas the NCA works in; it's on their website:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do

It is not permissible for staff to discuss operational details with anybody. My daughter was subject to stringent security checks when she was appointed, as were her family (including me). Part of her job is to discipline people who overstep the mark. I don't know any more details than that because, of course, she's not allowed to discuss them.

This is so tiresome growstuff*. For the last time no CONFIDENTIAL information has been passed to me and I have not spread anything. No “operational details”. I think you are getting a bit carried away.

We have people on here all the time saying “my daughter/son/neighbour is a nurse/doctor/head teacher/police officer and they say ……… “

Casdon I know you started the thread but it was about the Rwanda Plan not all this deflection stuff.

It's still tittle tattle. If I were part of a conversation in which that kind of information were discussed, I'd report it to the appropriate authorities.

growstuff. TITTLE TATTLE ALERT!

Someone on a similar thread has had the audacity to tittle tattle about their daughter who works in the NHS. 🤣🤣 how did you miss that one?

😱😱

zakouma66

Urmstongran

The people of Germany will regret Mutti's wilkommenskultur.
It's sounding as if the people of Ireland will regret it too. Still, it's a break from hating the English.
😁

What all the people? 84.7 million Germans? Amazing.

Germany has always had migrants, “gastarbieter” - guest workers, many Turkish who mostly returned home. Now the migrants are staying and they don’t like it.

Casdon

You’re welcome in the kitchen as long as you don’t leave the stuff piled up, piled up in the sink Callistemon21.

I'm good at loading the dishwasher 🙂
And reloading it properly when anyone else does it.

Katie59

zakouma66

Urmstongran

The people of Germany will regret Mutti's wilkommenskultur.
It's sounding as if the people of Ireland will regret it too. Still, it's a break from hating the English.
😁

What all the people? 84.7 million Germans? Amazing.

Germany has always had migrants, “gastarbieter” - guest workers, many Turkish who mostly returned home. Now the migrants are staying and they don’t like it.

Most Turkish workers stayed in Germany, despite not having citizenship or the right to vote. They lived mainly in Berlin before reunification because many West Germans didn't want to live there. Helmut Kohl tried to bribe the Turks to return to Turkey, but most of them stayed. For as long as I can remember, Turks have suffered discrimination in Germany - it's not a new thing.

What is new is the East German population, where current German nationalism originates. Many of the new immigrants were relocated to the East, where people still resent what many see as a take-over by West Germany. For years after reunification, for example, East German teachers were paid less than West German ones. Rents, particularly in Berlin, have shot up and East Germans lost their right to child-care and a guaranteed job for life. The transition to western capitalism hasn't been easy for some of them, so they particularly resent having to compete now with new immigrants, especially as Germany is in the doldrums economically.

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

not nice to correct spelling LizzieDrip. You should know better.

Are you expecting a medal because you don’t read or watch certain news channels or papers? 🤣

I told you the other day I get my info from a Border Force senior official.

In that case, the official should be sacked. It is not permissible for a Border Force official to tittle tattle to anybody else, who might then spread the information elsewhere (as you have done Primrose53).

My daughter works in HR for the National Crime Agency. It's no secret what areas the NCA works in; it's on their website:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do

It is not permissible for staff to discuss operational details with anybody. My daughter was subject to stringent security checks when she was appointed, as were her family (including me). Part of her job is to discipline people who overstep the mark. I don't know any more details than that because, of course, she's not allowed to discuss them.

This is so tiresome growstuff*. For the last time no CONFIDENTIAL information has been passed to me and I have not spread anything. No “operational details”. I think you are getting a bit carried away.

We have people on here all the time saying “my daughter/son/neighbour is a nurse/doctor/head teacher/police officer and they say ……… “

Casdon I know you started the thread but it was about the Rwanda Plan not all this deflection stuff.

It's still tittle tattle. If I were part of a conversation in which that kind of information were discussed, I'd report it to the appropriate authorities.

growstuff. TITTLE TATTLE ALERT!

Someone on a similar thread has had the audacity to tittle tattle about their daughter who works in the NHS. 🤣🤣 how did you miss that one?

Does it involve matters of national security?

I missed it because I don't spend my days glued to Gransnet.

If it involved giving away details which aren't in the public domain and I knew who it was, I'd report him/her, as well as your friend.

Katie59

Rwanda is safe by African standards, Kigali is a modern city with a low crime rates and officials are less corrupt than most.
Rural areas are basic, traditional huts mud brick construction with an iron roof, not really different to other countries on the region.
The government is firmly in control to the extent that freedom of speech has its limits, I was part of a guided tour so no issues but you could travel freely, although I would take a guide to cope with local language and knowledge.

Rwanda want the money and are happy to be employed by the UK to do their dirty work.

Thanks Katie59: I had heard that it is actually a very pleasant place and not at all what some of us (me included) imagine. Probably safer than some parts of the UK by the sound of it. Which changes things to a certain extent.

I can’t believe all the nasty comments about Germany and Ireland on here. So much petty nationalism.

Ireland only have themselves to blame in my opinion, I hope more cross the soft border from NI, they wanted free movement, well be careful what you wish for.

nanna8

Katie59

Rwanda is safe by African standards, Kigali is a modern city with a low crime rates and officials are less corrupt than most.
Rural areas are basic, traditional huts mud brick construction with an iron roof, not really different to other countries on the region.
The government is firmly in control to the extent that freedom of speech has its limits, I was part of a guided tour so no issues but you could travel freely, although I would take a guide to cope with local language and knowledge.

Rwanda want the money and are happy to be employed by the UK to do their dirty work.

Thanks Katie59: I had heard that it is actually a very pleasant place and not at all what some of us (me included) imagine. Probably safer than some parts of the UK by the sound of it. Which changes things to a certain extent.

So why aren't people emigrating in masses?