The new Rwanda Plan

Oreo

All this saintly tut tutting about the guy maybe talking out of turn are just a distraction from the subject, ooh look a squirrel!
They don’t like illegal migration being talked about cos they feel ‘so sorry’ about people just wanting ‘a better life’.They don’t care about the strain on the NHS, schools and dentists and ultimately the tax payer and want to turn a blind eye to any religious, cultural or other problems as well as the fact that many may have criminal records.

‘They’ started this thread and have fully participated in the discussion Oreo.
Calling into question the behaviour of a border force official does not constitute saintly tut tutting - it constitutes recognising and expecting professional behaviour from any public sector employee. I hoped people would see that, but clearly not.

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

Most people just want an end to this apparently endless illegal immigration.

Oreo

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

It's not Casdon's "standards".

It is the code of professional conduct expected of all those who work for the Home Office, other Civil Service departments and public sector employees.

For Home Office employees adhering to the Official Secrets Act is part of the contract of employment. That is known when employment is offered and accepted.

OFG sake! Can we get back on to the OT please? Start another thread about Professional Conduct but don’t keep deflecting.😴😴😴

Primrose53 this is a thread I started.

The thread wandered off piste pages ago, which threads tend to do.

I will say no more about the OSA 🤐

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

not nice to correct spelling LizzieDrip. You should know better.

Are you expecting a medal because you don’t read or watch certain news channels or papers? 🤣

I told you the other day I get my info from a Border Force senior official.

In that case, the official should be sacked. It is not permissible for a Border Force official to tittle tattle to anybody else, who might then spread the information elsewhere (as you have done Primrose53).

My daughter works in HR for the National Crime Agency. It's no secret what areas the NCA works in; it's on their website:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do

It is not permissible for staff to discuss operational details with anybody. My daughter was subject to stringent security checks when she was appointed, as were her family (including me). Part of her job is to discipline people who overstep the mark. I don't know any more details than that because, of course, she's not allowed to discuss them.

Oreo

All this saintly tut tutting about the guy maybe talking out of turn are just a distraction from the subject, ooh look a squirrel!
They don’t like illegal migration being talked about cos they feel ‘so sorry’ about people just wanting ‘a better life’.They don’t care about the strain on the NHS, schools and dentists and ultimately the tax payer and want to turn a blind eye to any religious, cultural or other problems as well as the fact that many may have criminal records.

If the NHS, schools, dentists and religious/cultural problems are the issue, why does the country allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants into the country legally? The UK has (and did have even when we were in the EU) total control over the majority of immigration.

Oreo

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

People working in certain jobs in public service must live up to Casdon's "high standards.

growstuff

Oreo

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

People working in certain jobs in public service must live up to Casdon's "high standards.

When I said they weren't Casdon's high standards I meant they weren't hers alone!
They apply even after leaving or retirement.

I remember when civil servants were charged under the Official Secrets Act and sent to prison for divulging information to a national newspaper.

Callistemon21

growstuff

Oreo

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

People working in certain jobs in public service must live up to Casdon's "high standards.

When I said they weren't Casdon's high standards I meant they weren't hers alone!
They apply even after leaving or retirement.

I remember when civil servants were charged under the Official Secrets Act and sent to prison for divulging information to a national newspaper.

I mentioned Casdon's high standards because she was the person Oreo was addressing (mocking?). I understood what you meant.

growstuff

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

not nice to correct spelling LizzieDrip. You should know better.

Are you expecting a medal because you don’t read or watch certain news channels or papers? 🤣

I told you the other day I get my info from a Border Force senior official.

In that case, the official should be sacked. It is not permissible for a Border Force official to tittle tattle to anybody else, who might then spread the information elsewhere (as you have done Primrose53).

My daughter works in HR for the National Crime Agency. It's no secret what areas the NCA works in; it's on their website:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do

It is not permissible for staff to discuss operational details with anybody. My daughter was subject to stringent security checks when she was appointed, as were her family (including me). Part of her job is to discipline people who overstep the mark. I don't know any more details than that because, of course, she's not allowed to discuss them.

This is so tiresome growstuff*. For the last time no CONFIDENTIAL information has been passed to me and I have not spread anything. No “operational details”. I think you are getting a bit carried away.

We have people on here all the time saying “my daughter/son/neighbour is a nurse/doctor/head teacher/police officer and they say ……… “

Casdon I know you started the thread but it was about the Rwanda Plan not all this deflection stuff.

Time this thread was closed.

Back to illegal immigrants then. 🙂

Just on the news that 3,000 of the 5,000 earmarked for Rwanda have gone missing!

Primrose53

Back to illegal immigrants then. 🙂

Just on the news that 3,000 of the 5,000 earmarked for Rwanda have gone missing!

They have skipped to Ireland, what a surprise!.

I wonder if Joe Public are just Sunak’s useful idiots here? When it first came on the news that the Government were going to contact migrants to inform them they were ‘under consideration’ for the planned Rwanda flights, I thought “What? They’ll do a runner!”.

Hmm. Maybe that was the plan all along. Now there are some 3,500 missing migrants in the UK. Officials have ‘no idea’ where any of them are. Not only our borders are porous it seems.

Off on one again. Read what the actual report says please.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68924392

Has anyone here actually been to Rwanda ? I was wondering because some say it is a lovely place where it is good to visit but others say it is dangerous and primitive. What is the truth? I’m serious, I would like to know and I have never actually been there myself.

Casdon

Off on one again. Read what the actual report says please.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68924392

Indeed. the report makes it clear that a number were already "lost" and that the people "earmarked" for Rwanda are known and in the system. This obsession with proving Rwanda is a deterrent will grab anything to hand even if it proves nothing.

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

not nice to correct spelling LizzieDrip. You should know better.

Are you expecting a medal because you don’t read or watch certain news channels or papers? 🤣

I told you the other day I get my info from a Border Force senior official.

In that case, the official should be sacked. It is not permissible for a Border Force official to tittle tattle to anybody else, who might then spread the information elsewhere (as you have done Primrose53).

My daughter works in HR for the National Crime Agency. It's no secret what areas the NCA works in; it's on their website:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do

It is not permissible for staff to discuss operational details with anybody. My daughter was subject to stringent security checks when she was appointed, as were her family (including me). Part of her job is to discipline people who overstep the mark. I don't know any more details than that because, of course, she's not allowed to discuss them.

This is so tiresome growstuff*. For the last time no CONFIDENTIAL information has been passed to me and I have not spread anything. No “operational details”. I think you are getting a bit carried away.

We have people on here all the time saying “my daughter/son/neighbour is a nurse/doctor/head teacher/police officer and they say ……… “

Casdon I know you started the thread but it was about the Rwanda Plan not all this deflection stuff.

It's still tittle tattle. If I were part of a conversation in which that kind of information were discussed, I'd report it to the appropriate authorities.

I’m not ‘off on one again’ Casdon. My post wasn’t clear I admit. Some migrants had already gone missing according to Home Office figures. This latest raft of missing people are just the latest addition.

Bet you’re fun at a party growstuff.

Urmstongran

Bet you’re fun at a party growstuff.

At least she isn’t like some of the people I’ve met socially who always seem to turn the conversation round to ‘foreigners’ ( and, yes, that happened quite a few times and makes me feel very uncomfortable given that I try to avoid confrontation with people. Even when they get no response from me they still seem to continue with what they seem to think is something that I agree on.

Rwanda is safe by African standards, Kigali is a modern city with a low crime rates and officials are less corrupt than most.
Rural areas are basic, traditional huts mud brick construction with an iron roof, not really different to other countries on the region.
The government is firmly in control to the extent that freedom of speech has its limits, I was part of a guided tour so no issues but you could travel freely, although I would take a guide to cope with local language and knowledge.

Rwanda want the money and are happy to be employed by the UK to do their dirty work.