Changed my mind about voting for Reform uk

ronib

Seems to me that the problem with the NHS is that it has become a vast bureaucracy and patients are required to leave all thinking about treatment to the bureaucrats.
For example, it’s impossible to ask for add ons to blood tests so if a blood test is scheduled for x & y and a request for z appears, these requests must be submitted separately. So the patient becomes a pin cushion. This does not happen in Germany for example. It also costs more to employ two phlebotomists. Multiple this many times and it’s no wonder costs are rising. Nothing at all to do with Labour, Tories or Liberal Democrats but entirely down to the huge bureaucracy which is destroying our NHS.

Unfortunately, with mammoth organisations like the NHS, systems have to be put in place to manage them.

What appears to happen is that the systems become the dictators of the organisation - so anything that occurs spontaneously outside of the systems cannot be incorporated within them, and therefore a new process has to be started from scratch. Which is what is happening with the blood tests you mention.

In the end, everything has to fit the system, rather than the system servicing the needs of the organisation.

The "computer really does say NO".

Dickens It wasn’t just the computer saying no but the receptionist said it in the most exaggerated way. I was surprised that anyone could say blood pressure in such an elongated way!
However by now it is completely beyond redemption and there’s no political party able to reform the NHS. So best stop using it as a political hot potato as it does have a life of its own. Unfortunately.

Maybe you will go the way it is here. Hope not for everyone’s sake !. Either you take out private insurance at vast cost or they take it out of your taxes. The private insurance doesn’t cover half the stuff and you end up paying heaps anyway. People put off getting treatment because of it.

And your point is???

My point is,sweetie, that the NHS, which we were discussing, may well look for other ways to fund itself. What’s yours ?

Stella14, what is wrong with low taxes and spending as little public money as possible?

BevSec

Stella14, what is wrong with low taxes and spending as little public money as possible?

No NHS, No defence services, Poor and overcrowded schools, most young people priced out of going to university, no social housing, poorly maintained roads, ..........

I could go on and on.

Certainly systems need fixing better.

However it is beyond me to understand why people are ignoring the fact we are short or both doctors, nurses, and other skilled staff: staff are leaving due to stress and inadequate pay, we are not training staff to replace those we lose.

With an aging population there is an increasing demand.
You get further cuts in NHS and Social Care.

I've read the "reform" one page statement on the NHS. It blames it all on bureaucracy.

This s the Labour Party manifesto on the NHS and Social Care

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Mission-Public-Services.pdf

*Utterbliss" you can read it yourself, just type Reform UK into your search engine and it will take you to their website. Don't ask others to explain it to you, do the work , read it and form your own opinions.

The Reform website and manifesto looks something like what a rocket enthusiast might build for a Mars Mission launched from the village green?

When in IT, we had a saying that some projects had apparently been designed "on the back of a fag packet". The Reform suggestions re Economic and Tax reform appear to have taken that principle to extremes.

And while they want to help the NHS and Waiting Lists, they don't seem to realise that without huge numbers of brown people (here now, and to come as replacements or the extra staff needed) the NHS would collapse like George Brown (one for history buffs) after a boozy night out.

And, just for balance sake, huge numbers of white people from across the seas.

nanna8

And, just for balance sake, huge numbers of white people from across the seas.

Europe? They’ve all b….d back home after Brexit.

No I was thinking Australia, New Zealand, Canada and some Eastern Europe more . Brexit is possibly better for them, not so cliquey.

Oh yes 🙂 I got the wrong end of the stick!

BevSec

Stella14, what is wrong with low taxes and spending as little public money as possible?

You cannot be serious??

Surely it's the manifesto not the individuals people look at first when they think about voting? Look at individuals record in the HoC, what they voted for and against, not just personalities.

"Greyisnot mycolour. "But rude seems to be your manner.

How does 1 in, 1 out work please? Who chooses the 1?

It doesn’t work. None of their ‘policies’ work. As DrWatson said, back of a fag packet stuff.

I've got no idea who to vote for. They all seem to be as awful as each other. They are all talk and no - or very little - action. I'm very disappointed.

Athrawes

I've got no idea who to vote for. They all seem to be as awful as each other. They are all talk and no - or very little - action. I'm very disappointed.

Look at their manifestos, their policies, their voting records. No one person or party is ever going to match up to you 100%, but at least this way you should be able to identify policies which rough align with your beliefs and priorities.

It’s not just about the “wants” it has to be fully costed and explain “why” & “how”

Hope this makes sense.

zakouma66

How does 1 in, 1 out work please? Who chooses the 1?

Who knows! It sounds like a multi storey car park!

Agree with germanshephardsmum a reform vote is a wasted vote. I am thoroughly dissatisfied with the tories however feel cannot trust labour not to turn back to being corbenistas once in power!

Cherylrov

Agree with germanshephardsmum a reform vote is a wasted vote. I am thoroughly dissatisfied with the tories however feel cannot trust labour not to turn back to being corbenistas once in power!

100% certain that won’t happen.

Why do some on here state that they do not trust Labour? If it's because of their parliamentary track record there's little that they can do because they are the minority party and their opinion makes little difference to whatever the Tories are proposing.