Changed my mind about voting for Reform uk

spabbygirl

manifestos can easily be ignored, like the Tories for the last election they didn't say they are privatising the NHS but thats exactly what they've done to the dental system. I want the NHS to be fit, healthy & well funded even if I pay more tax so I'm voting Labour they set up the NHS in the face of Tory opposition so they get my vote now

Many things have decided dentists to work privately, since about 1992. Easily looked up. After Major who was PM at the time, Labour won a massive majority, headed by Blair, who did nothing at all to sort this out, in fact he as quoted as saying, "he was powerless to increase access to NHS dentistry, and that he couldnt force dentists to do NHS work instead of private". So blame on both sides I would argue.
As my local private dentist has stated, "people will pay thousands on holidays, car repair, nail and beauty treatment,but they won't pay out for something that is essential to health, dental care".

I would never have voted for any party led by Corbyn, but I guess nowadays, as he’s an irrelevant independent, it’s just a case of voting for what party suits you best.

No party can fulfil every wish.

Curtaintwitcher
I had been planning to vote for Richard Tice's party but, now that I've read their manifesto, I've changed my mind. They support hunting, which I deplore. Killing animals for pleasure is morally wrong and I will not vote for a party which supports it.

Me too. I’m against any kind of animal cruelty. It’s not just the foxes, it’s the poor dogs too. They’re treated abysmally and unfortunately, animals are the last thing most people think about when voting for a political party.

I'm interested that a private dentist thinks people pay out thousands on holidays etc. I haven't had a holiday in years, don't go to hairdresser or nail bar, I have to find several thousand for necessary treatment as a result of a severe illness. Finance would be 400 a month, I don't have 40 a month left over, I wonder what his suggestion would be

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

By the way Tin Soldier, you should read Liz Truss' latest book and you'll see how the government did their best not to get Brexit through, they still kept us tied to EU rules against our wishes. There is nothing wrong with Brexit and since we have left many deals have been done with other countries that are only for our good. I am not going to apologise for being a Brexiteer and wanting our own Soveriegnty.

I recommend hearing what Peter Whittle of the New Culture Forum has to say too. Anyone who doesn't agree with the left/woke ideology is always labelled far right. This is unfair and Peter Whittle makes an excellent speech about this. Check him out!

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Farage and decency wouldn’t know each other if they hit each other in the face.

He is a foul racist individual.

Anyone see him being interviewed by Trevor Phillips on the politics programme on Sky? Very nasty man.

17:21Whitewavemark2
Farage and decency wouldn’t know each other if they hit each other in the face

He is a foul racist individual

Say you who voted for Jeremy Corbyn/Labour a Hamas terrorist friend/supporter, what pray does that say about you I shudder to think.

Dinahmo

Anyone see him being interviewed by Trevor Phillips on the politics programme on Sky? Very nasty man.

Yes - he has form - remember the poster?

Freya5

spabbygirl

manifestos can easily be ignored, like the Tories for the last election they didn't say they are privatising the NHS but thats exactly what they've done to the dental system. I want the NHS to be fit, healthy & well funded even if I pay more tax so I'm voting Labour they set up the NHS in the face of Tory opposition so they get my vote now

Many things have decided dentists to work privately, since about 1992. Easily looked up. After Major who was PM at the time, Labour won a massive majority, headed by Blair, who did nothing at all to sort this out, in fact he as quoted as saying, "he was powerless to increase access to NHS dentistry, and that he couldnt force dentists to do NHS work instead of private". So blame on both sides I would argue.
As my local private dentist has stated, "people will pay thousands on holidays, car repair, nail and beauty treatment,but they won't pay out for something that is essential to health, dental care".

This article will explain what went horribly wrong with our dental service.
It was the Labour government of the time who changed the rules.

notoveryet

I'm interested that a private dentist thinks people pay out thousands on holidays etc. I haven't had a holiday in years, don't go to hairdresser or nail bar, I have to find several thousand for necessary treatment as a result of a severe illness. Finance would be 400 a month, I don't have 40 a month left over, I wonder what his suggestion would be

Im sure you arent, but he's right to a point.
NhS is still a £319 layout for Band 3 treatment.
How are you going to force dentists to work for NHS, even Blair said it couldn't be done.
If you're on a low income and find it difficult you can apply to the NHS Low income scheme, you can also claim a refund.

Whitewavemark2

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Farage and decency wouldn’t know each other if they hit each other in the face.

He is a foul racist individual.

Oh dear, the record never changes. It is not racist to want lower immigration, and stricter border controls. This is the lefts way of shutting down any conversation about the subject.

Farzanah

M0nica

I think he has possibly confused what the non-Labour party member supporter will vote for with what left wing party members want.

I think a lot of the Conservative vote in the last election had more to do with ordinary Labour voters (not party members) being concerned by the left wing policies that would come with Corbyn, than them actively supporting Conservative policies. Now the Labour party has swung back towards the centre, the voters will return to them, regardless of whether the Conservatives have been good bad or indifferent in government.

What was particularly “left wing” about Corbyn’s policies as set out in the manifesto 2019. Here’s a reminder (in brief)
1. Increase Health Budget
2. Hold a Second Referendum on Brexit
3. Raise minimum wage
4. Stop pension age rises
5. Introduce a national care service
6. Bring forward net zero target.
7. Stop universal credit. Reform benefit system
8. Nationalise Key Industries
9. Abolish private schools’ charitable status
10. Free bus travel for under 25s
11. EU Nationals right to remain
12. Build 100,000 council houses a year

Socialist policies which we could do with now. Taxing wealth would be another useful step forward.

2, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11 and poss 12

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Okay........ Anne Widdecombe you say? Do you actually understand what "woke" is?

I am proud to be “Woke” if we are talking about its original meaning which was to be informed, educated and conscious of social injustice and inequality. I don’t believe I’m a destroyer of our way of life, unless it goes down the fascist route that is.

HousePlantQueen

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Okay........ Anne Widdecombe you say? Do you actually understand what "woke" is?

The only people I've seen who use the word "woke" on a regular basis are older people and Daily Mail readers. It's quite amusing really and no, they have no idea of its meaning.

It’s meant negatively that’s for sure. Anyone who doesn’t agree with their values.

Freya5

Whitewavemark2

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Farage and decency wouldn’t know each other if they hit each other in the face.

He is a foul racist individual.

Oh dear, the record never changes. It is not racist to want lower immigration, and stricter border controls. This is the lefts way of shutting down any conversation about the subject.

Is is however racist to say that not a single Muslim in the U.K. shares our values, and that they are not patriotic.

That is racist.

08:19Whitewavemark2

It is however racist to say that not a single Muslim in the U.K. shares our values, and that they are not patriotic

That is racist

I've never seen or heard anyone say that on here or in real life (Reform)

Telling porkies again me thinks 🐷 if true where and when, evidence ?

They have some good ideas on taxation like raising the threshold to 21k and reducing VAT, and they do offer an alternative for disillusioned Conservatives, and I was considering voting Reform, but I'm not so sure now. I've seen their website and it is amateurish and they seem disorganised. Also could they be like UKIP and fall apart after a couple of years?
Not sure who I'll vote for as I've voted different ways over the years, but sick of the Tories and not that convinced by Labour.

Nicenanny3

08:19Whitewavemark2

It is however racist to say that not a single Muslim in the U.K. shares our values, and that they are not patriotic

That is racist

I've never seen or heard anyone say that on here or in real life (Reform)

Telling porkies again me thinks 🐷 if true where and when, evidence ?

Isn’t that what Farage said on Sky News on Sunday?

I dont think Nigel is a foul racist or not a decent human being. Just think he talks a lot of common sense and is a man prepared to stand by his principle but I am not voting Reform. Keir is either unable or just unwilling to say what he does want, not happy with Conservatives I do think Richie does keep to his word which I like, but he hasn’t handled immigration yet and not researched his new plan about National Service, in theory a good idea but couldn't be done. Know it works in Norway though. Do think some people automatically reject anyone not a member of their political party.

Nicenanny3

08:19Whitewavemark2

It is however racist to say that not a single Muslim in the U.K. shares our values, and that they are not patriotic

That is racist

I've never seen or heard anyone say that on here or in real life (Reform)

Telling porkies again me thinks 🐷 if true where and when, evidence ?

Trevor Philips - Sunday morning.

Philips was left gobsmacked.