Is anyone interested in the terror attack in Moscow?

A dreadful occurrence, I know, but ordinary Russians like these support Putin no matter what and, let’s face it, he’ll twist it to his advantage, not caring who did what to whom.

Robin202

Innocent bystanders being killed is tragic in whatever the circumstances - but unless a whistleblower steps up, we only have the news from the media and we know that is controlled and we only see and hear what they choose to show us. There will always be fingers pointing in different directions, according to the agenda at the time of play. We know warmongering countries deliberately start wars, terrorist factions are controlled - (by whom?). There is always far more to these events than we’ll ever truly know.
The latest being the Baltimore Bridge.

And if a whistleblower did step up, we would only hear from him or her via the media - such an individual would not be going from door-to-door disseminating the information. So you could just as easily say the same thing about his or her 'report' - that the media are choosing what we see and hear, and equally disbelieve it to be true, no?

Obviously certain media leans politically one way or another to some degree anyway, but I think the BBC, for all its faults, is about as balanced as it is possible to be and, generally, reports in good faith. It is also fairly well respected internationally. As a state broadcaster it has a difficult role, as the many accusations against it prove. However, as these accusations come from both the Left who thing it's too Right-wing and controlled by the government, and the Right, who believe it's too Left-wing, then logic might dictate that it's actually getting the balance right.

We can't, surely, reach the stage where we believe everything is "fake noos" and that there is a conspiracy behind every event!?

As for the collapse of the Baltimore Bridge - well, it's only just happened, so we're hardly likely yet to know much more than the superficial details which are that a huge container-ship hit one of the bridge supports. However, conspiracy theories are already hitting social media, including YouTube. There's an image being shared around which appears to connect Barack Obama with the collapse because he was once involved in a Neflix movie thriller where the story line involves a ship crashing into a beach. I'm sure there'll be many more before the next few days are over.

I've been critical of the BBC, as have others, in the past, but I'm sure, overall, it's a fairly reliable source of information -even though it has to tippy-toe around those who believe it's part of some deep-state conspiracy to fool us all.

Oreo

That’s another thread, and sadly another conspiracy theory.

Having read your post, I googled, and did indeed find a host of conspiracy theories.

The most alarming is one showing a video of the Crimea Bridge over the Kerch Strait (it connects the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov) taken in 2022 when a car-bomb or blast hit it, and it is now being touted as something that happened on the Baltimore Bridge prior to the collapse. The poster claims it's a newly-discovered camera showing that there was an explosion on the Baltimore bridge. In spite of the fact that this video he's using was shown at the time, in 2022, by many news outlets!

DH is a naval architect/ marine surveyor. Damage done to every possible marine structure from bridges to light houses to dock walls and gates when ships lose propulsion, follow the wrong course, or because no one is on the bridge and the ship is on autopilot is just about the most common marine accident out.

Conspiracy theorists should concentrate on less common accidents, like knocking drinks over, or bursting balloons.

M0nica

DH is a naval architect/ marine surveyor. Damage done to every possible marine structure from bridges to light houses to dock walls and gates when ships lose propulsion, follow the wrong course, or because no one is on the bridge and the ship is on autopilot is just about the most common marine accident out.

Conspiracy theorists should concentrate on less common accidents, like knocking drinks over, or bursting balloons.

Conspiracy theorists should concentrate on less common accidents, like knocking drinks over, or bursting balloons.



... but there's no drama to be had from such accidents!

My late ex was a Thames Waterman and Lighterman and, later, so was my son - he piloted one of the large pleasure cruise ships on the Thames. Hitting bridges, piers, and other craft, is indeed a common occurrence, with or without losing propulsion. Thankfully, most accidents are minor (apart from the cost). My son once hit Richmond Bridge in Surrey because of the tide and the difficulty in navigating a large craft among lots of other smaller ones bobbing about.

It happens.

We used to sail on the Thames around Chiswick/Barnes and later had a small cruiser on the Thames. being driven into structures by wind/tide/other boats is par for the course.

DH once dealt with a case where a captain and crew swore on every religious text known that there ship had run into the Nab Tower, off Hayling Island, because it had moved and changed its position.

M0nica

We used to sail on the Thames around Chiswick/Barnes and later had a small cruiser on the Thames. being driven into structures by wind/tide/other boats is par for the course.

DH once dealt with a case where a captain and crew swore on every religious text known that there ship had run into the Nab Tower, off Hayling Island, because it had moved and changed its position.

DH once dealt with a case where a captain and crew swore on every religious text known that there ship had run into the Nab Tower, off Hayling Island, because it had moved and changed its position.

😂😂

Today (Wed) I hear that the Belarus president (Putin's puppet really) stated that the terrorists tried to escape into Belarus, were turned away, then they tried to reach Ukraine.

THAT tale didn't suit Putin, so he blamed Ukraine and the West, even with ISIL taking responsibility.

A Google search showed that this is the Afghan branch of ISIL, and an article on Al Jazeera (not my usual reading material BTW!!) says >>> Why is ISIL attacking Russia?
Defence and security analysts say the group has targeted its propaganda at Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent years over the alleged oppression of Muslims by Russia.

“Russian foreign policy has been one big red flag for ISIS [ISIL],” Michael Kugelman, director of the South Asia Institute at the Washington-based Wilson Center told Al Jazeera. “The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Russian actions in Chechnya, Moscow’s close relationships with the Syrian and Iranian governments, and especially the military campaigns that Russia has waged against ISIS fighters in Syria and — through Wagner Group mercenaries – in parts of Africa.”

All of that has meant that Moscow has become a focus of ISKP’s “extensive propaganda war,” said Amira Jadoon, assistant professor at Clemson University in South Carolina and co-author of, The Islamic State in Afghanistan and Pakistan: Strategic Alliances and Rivalries.

“Russia’s engagement in the global fight against ISIS and its affiliates, especially through its military operations in Syria and its efforts to establish connections with the Afghan Taliban – ISIS-K’s rival – marks Russia as a key adversary for ISIS".

For Dickens, and BBC, in general, quite so. Both major parties have tried to control BBC, or threatened it.

The public sadly has a subset of frankly nitwits who claims it is "biased" -- generally because it reported something they didn't like! In any case, just HOW are shows like Gardener's World, Sky at Night, Attenborough, Mastermind, The Archers, Gardener's Question Time, Match of the Day, Strictly, Sewing Bee, Death in or Beyond Paradise, Book at Bedtime, the Shipping Forecast, etc etc, BIASED???!

News shows or discussions like Newsnight make up only a tiny fraction of BBC's output, so the whole 'biased' theme is just one-eyed twaddle.

The public bless them has a subset of nit wits who describe others as stupid when they disagree with them. They continue with this tactic despite its ongoing failure to win others round to their point of view.

It isn't that no-one is interested in these attacks and I certainly hope we are not becoming apathetic about innocent civilians being victims. You just run out of words to express the horror.
The most worrying thing about this, is that Putin is now blaming Britain.
The man isn't sane.

Something does not smell right
Putin, like many people in power, is quite clearly capable of anything
‘Conspiracy theory?’ - that label is used to shut down speculation and discussion and make those of us who question the mainstream feel foolish
It does not work for me
Of course there are conspiracies
People who wield power often did not get there by being straight and true and often do not stay there by those means
Putin clearly cares nothing for the lives of his people
Like all of us my heart goes out to those poor souls and their families but sadly most of us are potential ‘cannon fodder ‘
If Putin did not orchestrate this, how can anyone doubt that he is capable of it?
And will it help his cause in Ukraine?
I would say definitely yes
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Oh come on Dr Watson ‘bias’ is very very subtle
Our cultural ‘narrative’ permeates everything and is often extremely biased
I love the Archers and often smile at the underlying bias
At one point it was very pro hunting (and as such rather unrealistic as the majority of ‘country’ people do not support the hunt)
That has gone - maybe they had a few letters?
I’m just hoping one of the Grundies doesn’t decide to transition so we have that agenda coming to Ambridge
(Ooh wash my mouth out…)

Curtaintwitcher

It isn't that no-one is interested in these attacks and I certainly hope we are not becoming apathetic about innocent civilians being victims. You just run out of words to express the horror.
The most worrying thing about this, is that Putin is now blaming Britain.
The man isn't sane.

You just run out of words to express the horror.

... and these types of attacks are now so, well - frequent, that maybe we are becoming acclimatised to them?

For example, I remember at the beginning of the pandemic when we were locked-down, thinking - 'is this really happening?' It felt like a world event that one would read when studying history. And yet, after a few months it became a new 'normal' and I'm sure I wasn't alone in thinking and feeling like that because humans are able to 'adapt'.

So yes, I too hope we're not becoming apathetic and that it's more a matter of running out of words to express the horror because we've seen so much of it.

As for the Kremlin blaming Britain - along with the US and Ukraine - if it wasn't such a tragic event, it would be laughable. Apparently, our special services engineered this attack in order to prove our 'capabilities'!

Putin is a dictator and a tyrant and like all such must have become isolated from everything but his own egomaniacal need to reign as the supreme autocrat. He can't possible be sane in the sense that we understand the word.

Every day, in every way Putin sounds more and more like the tinpot dictator in North Korea. Are they morphing into one? Has Putin ever been seen in jeans?

He’s been seen horse riding with a bare chest. I suppose he thinks it makes him look powerful and attractive. Personally I think he’s vile from head to foot, and I don’t normally wish people would fall off this mortal coil, but I wish that about him. Then perhaps the poor Ukrainians could have some peace.

Dickens
Clearly we didn’t orchestrate this attack, but sadly I’m not even sure we have the capability if we had wanted to. Our poor armed forces have been so depleted recently that a top army person (sorry, forgot who) said we are no longer able to defend ourselves if we were attacked.

M0nica

Every day, in every way Putin sounds more and more like the tinpot dictator in North Korea. Are they morphing into one? Has Putin ever been seen in jeans?

On a lighter note, Alan Titchmarsh's gardening programmes have been digitally altered before being shown in North Korea.
Alan was wearing jeans and they have been blurred out because they are seen a sign of USA imperialism.
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/26/alan-titchmarsh-jeans-north-korean-tv-censors

Who'd have thought Alan would be such a rebel at his age 😁

maddyone

He’s been seen horse riding with a bare chest. I suppose he thinks it makes him look powerful and attractive. Personally I think he’s vile from head to foot, and I don’t normally wish people would fall off this mortal coil, but I wish that about him. Then perhaps the poor Ukrainians could have some peace.

I think that was many years ago... surely he wouldn't want to do it now!

Putin isnt a tinpot dictator, he’s a dangerous megalomaniac with a nuclear arsenal, we must not underestimate him.

Putin chose to ignore warnings from US intelligence that this attack was imminent. He failed to protect the Russian concert goers because it suited him better to have an atrocity to blame on Ukraine.

Twenty-five years ago a number of apartments in Moscow were bombed and this gave Putin an excuse to blame the Chechens (a predominately Muslim state of the former USSR) and then launch an attack on Chechnya. There is a great deal of evidence that Putin ordered the attacks in Moscow as an excuse for the invasion of Chechnya.

Perhaps Putin did not order the attack on the concert, but it is very likely that , having been warned by the Americans that this was being planned by ISIS, he deliberately ignored the warning, sacrificing the lives of many of his countrymen and women, in order to have a better excuse to make further attacks on Ukraine.

www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-moscow-attack-use-the-crocus-massacre-to-his-advantage/

Putin has proved in Ukraine that he is willing to sacrifice manpower to achieve his aims, the concert attack was likely further evidence that The Motherland is under threat. That enables him to justify increasing military expansion, think of him as Stalin with nuclear weapons.

I doubt that the lack of commentary is lack of interest or lack of sympathy for those murdered simply because they are Russians .
I am simply filled with despair when I read about any terrorist attacks particularly when they happen in indoor or outdoor stadia where large numbers of people are more or less corralled and for the terrorists it is like shooting fish in a barrel , as they say.
Anders Brevik slaughtered numerous young people when he had them corralled on a small island.There was the Arianna Grande concert in Manchester and Bataclan in Paris and more recently the Hamas terrorists targeted young people at an outdoor concert I think.
Not that one type of terrorism is any less horrendous than another . Not to forget the 9/11 attacks and the 2005 murders on London Underground experienced by both myself and my husband being in London on that day although thankfully we escaped harm.
There will also be a special place in hell for whoever invented the fashion of individualist random attacks with "domestic " cars and knives on citizens because someone has persuaded the attacker that they are doing something admirable and brave rather than revolting and cowardly.
My heart goes out to the latest batch of murdered citizens and everyone who loves them.
Like everyone I imagine I foresaw Putin's pathetic if predictable attempt to blame Ukraine. Hopefully that won't get too much traction with the Russian Public as Islamic State have , I believe, formally claimed responsibility for the murders.
End of Rant.
I wouldn't normally post about this stuff because I find it so depressing and it makes me feel hopeless.
I must "press on and rise above it" as they say.

Yes the Communists are schizophrenic .demons. They are Psychopaths and nutcases and of course unaware of danger. I will start a Vendetta against them.

Varian, maddyone has already told us several times that we do not know whether the warning was given or not.

BBC Verify has fact checked it, but wa are told that that is not to be beleved because tye BBC is so biassed and on someones side or another.