Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

Oh well, applying logic and premises and all that-

From a premise that says "Prominent genitals are also a giveaway even if the leggings are pink!." it is NOT logical to extract that what is being implied is "This is a person who wears pink leggings. Therefore all people who wear pink leggings are like this"

You can deduce only that people who wear pink leggings and have prominent genitals are not guaranteed to be able to conceal those prominent genitals underneath them,

You can't even deduce that all people who wear pink leggings are trying to conceal their genitals and the sex of them, though you may surmise as a possibility that given the revealing character of the fabric that most leggings are made of and their figure-hugging cut, it is likely that the wearer is NOT trying to conceal either that there are genitals under there or what sex they are.

You can't deduce the sex of the genitals from reading that premise alone, but if you saw the leggings in actuality (in the flesh, as it were) the stretchy pink fabric could be revealing the shape of either meat and two veg or of a camel toe, so you could make a pretty good guess. You might even make another guess that the wearer could be making a statement about their physical sexuality.

A man making such a bold statement about his sexuality is quite often doing so to either impress or intimidate females. Those who are not favourably impressed may very well feel fear instead.

Smileless2012

No one's applied the photographs to a whole section of society Glorianny.

Glorianny just did.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

RosiesMaw

Actually Glorianny unless the man identifying as a women has had their Adam’s Apple shaved it is relatively easy to spot them
Prominent genitals are also a giveaway even if the leggings are pink!.

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Original post by RosieMaw approved of by many including GG13 Calistemon21 Jennifer Eccles and Mollygo
I made a joke of it,
That was wrong the prejudice exhibited is deeply concerning and apparently unconscious.

Not unconscious.
I'll admit to prejudice:
Why anyone unless extremely young, slim and female would want to wear tight leggings with no top is beyond me.

In fact, why anyone would wear them without a long top is beyond me.

I'm sorry if you find thst concerning, perhaps it's your normal attire, Glorianny.

To return to JKR, Suzanne Moore (who left the Graun because of their treatment of biological realists) has this to say of her:
People are always asking me why she does what she does because she could just have a nice life.

I think of the Joan Didion line: “In brief, people with self-respect exhibit a certain toughness, a kind of moral nerve; they display what was once called character…

When I say she is a feminist to her core, they look bemused. It is as if no one believes anything enough to do anything that would actually cost them, except perhaps the few deluded soup splatterers.

Her nice life though, is one that now involves seriously horrible threats to her, her family and endless abuse.

The Jo I know has ovaries of steel and a brilliant, biting wit and that is what we have seen over the last week.

To be honest, I think she is a bit disappointed not to be arrested. A lot of people would have happily joined her. I am not sure if Scotland has a big enough prison to put all the women in who will not call rapists “She”, who will not deny biology, who are sick of being harassed for not thinking that the sterilisation of gay children is a good idea.

We think these things not out of any hatred of trans people but because we want to protect vulnerable women and give children time to decide who they want to be. We don’t want to lie to them about changing sex, when it is gruelling and actually not possible.

Well said Suzanne Moore 👏👏👏

This is the picture - of convicted double rapist Isla Bryson who “found her true authentic female self” shortly before she was due to be sentenced.
My comment about the genitals and pink leggings (not mentioning the pink handbag and false nails) was far from being unconscious prejudice It was entirely conscious reflecting my contempt for a sex offender who blatantly exploited a flawed system, metaphorically sticking two fingers up at it.

Rosie51

^Pink leggings! Honestly!!?^

Why can't you be straightforward and honest Glorianny? I didn't make that post but I'm sure it is a reference to Isla Blair the transwoman, initially sent to a female prison, who appeared outside court dressed in tight pink leggings that clearly revealed a penis and testicles. I'm sure even you could correctly sex that body?

I agree entirely with your sentiments, but get your Islas right!
We don’t want a libel case originating on GN!

Lots of other men posting 'lovely' pictures of themselves on Twitter. Most of them laughably awful.

RosiesMaw

This is the picture - of convicted double rapist Isla Bryson who “found her true authentic female self” shortly before she was due to be sentenced.
My comment about the genitals and pink leggings (not mentioning the pink handbag and false nails) was far from being unconscious prejudice It was entirely conscious reflecting my contempt for a sex offender who blatantly exploited a flawed system, metaphorically sticking two fingers up at it.

To be fair, I don't think this individual is - appearance-wise - a typical representation of transwomen, in fact I don't believe there is a typical transwoman as far as style and dress is concerned. The transwoman I am acquainted with is as different from Bryson as chalk is from cheese and dresses in a style that could loosely be described as "unisex", and would certainly not stand out in a crowd. Obviously transwomen's ideas of being a woman vary as much as women themselves.

My concern is, as it seems is yours, the defective system which initially allowed Bryson to be remanded in a woman's prison to await sentence having been convicted of the rape of two women, whilst the SNP government was pushing ahead with its gender self-ID bill.

My concern is, as it seems is yours, the defective system which initially allowed Bryson to be remanded in a woman's prison to await sentence having been convicted of the rape of two women, whilst the SNP government was pushing ahead with its gender self-ID bill

Exactly Dickens - I wonder if the SNP is trying (too hard) to create some sort of spurious reputation for itself perhaps to deflect from what looks like pretty inadequate government while shortchanging their electorate.

RosiesMaw

Rosie51

Pink leggings! Honestly!!?

Why can't you be straightforward and honest Glorianny? I didn't make that post but I'm sure it is a reference to Isla Blair the transwoman, initially sent to a female prison, who appeared outside court dressed in tight pink leggings that clearly revealed a penis and testicles. I'm sure even you could correctly sex that body?

I agree entirely with your sentiments, but get your Islas right!
We don’t want a libel case originating on GN!

Ooops that was a dreadful mistake, yes of course `I meant Isla Bryson, apologies to Isla Blair.

Rosie51

RosiesMaw

Rosie51

Pink leggings! Honestly!!?

Why can't you be straightforward and honest Glorianny? I didn't make that post but I'm sure it is a reference to Isla Blair the transwoman, initially sent to a female prison, who appeared outside court dressed in tight pink leggings that clearly revealed a penis and testicles. I'm sure even you could correctly sex that body?

I agree entirely with your sentiments, but get your Islas right!
We don’t want a libel case originating on GN!

Ooops that was a dreadful mistake, yes of course `I meant Isla Bryson, apologies to Isla Blair.

... maybe it was 'auto-correct' what done it?

Well you see it's like this, according to Hunza Yousef who it seems is a self proclaimed arbiter of what qualifies the genuine transwoman, , Isla Bryson isn't a real transwoman but someone trying to play the system, who'd have thought it!

Aren't the Scots lucky to have a person with such outstanding perception and foresight as their First Minister

We have got one too. When discussing the issue of female spaces Layla Moran, bless her, said she preferred to look into someones soul (or some such nonsense) rather than worry about their sex. I am astounded she isnt leader of the western world with those skills.

MY concern is that this bill is the same legislation passed in England without a peep from the wailing masses.It merely makes us the same as England and most of Europe...when are you starting a campaign of hate against Westminster and most european countries...please feel free to check it out...I have had one person recently accuse me of not knowing the truth!!

paddyann it's not the same legislation at all.

RosiesMaw

This is the picture - of convicted double rapist Isla Bryson who “found her true authentic female self” shortly before she was due to be sentenced.
My comment about the genitals and pink leggings (not mentioning the pink handbag and false nails) was far from being unconscious prejudice It was entirely conscious reflecting my contempt for a sex offender who blatantly exploited a flawed system, metaphorically sticking two fingers up at it.

But we were not discussing sex offenders were we? We were discussing if it is easy to identify a transwoman. The fact that you immediately thought of a sex offender shows your bias.

If the system is flawed blame the system and not transpeople.

.....maybe it was 'auto-correct' what done it?

why didn't I think of that!

If the system is flawed blame the system and not transpeople.

Blame both I say, if there is a problem with the system[which there is] and with a minority of transpeople[which there is].

Often things are not either or.

paddyann54

MY concern is that this bill is the same legislation passed in England without a peep from the wailing masses.It merely makes us the same as England and most of Europe...when are you starting a campaign of hate against Westminster and most european countries...please feel free to check it out...I have had one person recently accuse me of not knowing the truth!!

this bill is the same legislation passed in England without a peep from the wailing masses.It merely makes us the same as England and most of Europe

Could you specify what the same legislation means exactly please?

Do you mean word for word exactly the same, or basically similar but going much further in specifics, yet still excluding misogyny as a hate crime?

Glorianny

RosiesMaw

This is the picture - of convicted double rapist Isla Bryson who “found her true authentic female self” shortly before she was due to be sentenced.
My comment about the genitals and pink leggings (not mentioning the pink handbag and false nails) was far from being unconscious prejudice It was entirely conscious reflecting my contempt for a sex offender who blatantly exploited a flawed system, metaphorically sticking two fingers up at it.

But we were not discussing sex offenders were we? We were discussing if it is easy to identify a transwoman. The fact that you immediately thought of a sex offender shows your bias.

If the system is flawed blame the system and not transpeople.

The fact that you immediately thought of a sex offender shows your bias.
No, it doesn't.

It shows that people like that are the ones who hit the headlines because they are criminals, or encroaching on women's sports, invading women-only spaces and are playing the transgender card to get their own way.

It doesn't show bias against transgender people who are living ordinary lives in the community because they are not the aggressive misogynists we see in the news.
It is this group which give all transgender people a bad name.

A trans woman wearing leggings that increases the visibility of their male genitalia is relevant to the discussion as to whether or not it's easy to identify them as trans Glorianny.

A photograph that supported the claim that some do being of a sex offender, could have been used because that was the only photograph to be found.

So if I posted a photograph of say Katie Price with her enhanced boobs on display and claimed she was representative of all women would you be happy with that?

No one is suggesting anything of the kind. As well you know

Smileless2012

A trans woman wearing leggings that increases the visibility of their male genitalia is relevant to the discussion as to whether or not it's easy to identify them as trans Glorianny.

A photograph that supported the claim that some do being of a sex offender, could have been used because that was the only photograph to be found.

No it isn't. One example of something gives no idea of the general appearance.
The sex offender excuse (it's the only one) is pathetic.
There are loads of photos of transwomen actors and celebrities. Of course they don't wear pink leggings and you can't identify them as trans.
One person in pink leggings does not show you can always identify transwomen.