Dr. Hilary Cass - report re trans.

I thought the British government had put the kybosh on the Scots gender bill.

Urmstongran

Nooo!

In The Telegraph:

“ A controversial LGBT charity which is influential in hundreds of Scottish schools has described puberty blockers as “wonderful” and believes children should have “autonomy” to decide whether to take them.

LGBT Youth Scotland, which runs a controversial education charter scheme followed by a majority of Scottish secondary schools and dozens of primaries, is under fresh scrutiny after it denounced the findings of the Cass Review.”

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I think I've confused the issue M0nica by using the word legislation.
As the Scottish Gov. are funding the controversial scheme Urmston mentioned, I wondered if they would change their minds now and pull the funding?

I've just been through and read sections of the curriculum: my POV is not blanket rejection but clear boundaries drawn for teachers, which can and cant be used. For example, a section on being gay and the history of Section 28 felt useful and OK.

The gender critical and many doctors raise concern about the long term impact of drugs to suppress puberty. I’ve not seen any evidence or discussion on the possibility of increasing the risk of cancer
I’m somewhat surrounded by cancer patients, or loved ones who died too young because of cancer
I may be raising this wrongly. We have enough worries about these children but we are talking Big Drugs.

It's very worrying, Iam64

We have no idea of the long-term consequences.

Wyllow3

I've just been through and read sections of the curriculum: my POV is not blanket rejection but clear boundaries drawn for teachers, which can and cant be used. For example, a section on being gay and the history of Section 28 felt useful and OK.

But for 4 year olds?

Why is it necessary?

I use the analogy of a sausage factory with this ideology.

Indoctrinate children as young as possible, which happens in school or nursery.
Sow the seeds of confusion, make it clear the only way to view all your worries or anxiousness is through the lens of gender.
Keep parents at arms length where ever possible.
Set up clubs (they are already set up in most senior schools) where they consolidate and reward the children who claim they feel they are in the wrong body.
Children then go looking for a remedy ie hormones surgery etc.

We have the Cass report which tackles the end result, but the 'sausages' are still being churned out by the schools.

Stopping what is happening in schools is of the utmost importance, if we want to succeed in stemming the tide of what amounts to a social contagion/manipulation by adults.

No, definitely not for 4 year olds. Of course not.

About 3 months ago I talked this through with my niece who is a headteacher in a large secondary school.

She said the situation is that all these areas are out there on social Media including puberty blockers and often the young people have had more ideas/information than the teachers but buzzed around without structure.

We cant "Avoid" the issues but instead deal with them with responsible discussion which definitely includes that puberty blockers are not an option until accessing services at 18 and medically are questionable and possibly dangerous.

Remember the curriculum we are discussing is not ALL about trans and puberty blockers but all aspects of sexuality eg being gay or - unsure or - distressed - or curious. There is still a lot of homophobia out there in society (thats the Section 28 stuff I alluded too).

Trans is not a sexuality.

Sorry Doodle, I meant - all any issues around sex and gender relationships that come up at that age.

Discussion about sexuality is fine in an age appropriate way, as is talking about sex. Neither of those things will encourage children to believe the impossible.

*People have sex, for pleasure and for reproduction.

*People have sexualities, which may be gay, straight, bi or asexual. A discussion of those things, therefore, is preparing children for later life, and teaching them that wherever they fit into it all is fine.

*Unless they have a DSD, however, people are born into one of two sexes, and cannot change from one to the other. There is no such thing as the wrong body, and telling children that there is, and that they can choose which sex they want to be is cruel, as they can’t.

I don’t mean to be picky, but lumping sex, sexuality and gender is, IMO, one of the things that have allowed TRAs to push their agenda. The constant cries of ’this is like the homophobia of the 80s’, or the suggestion that keeping men out of women’s spaces is akin to keeping people of colour out of ‘white spaces’ are very offensive.

Willow3
Remember we are not discussing Sex ed here.
I think you are conflating the two.

First the Scottish Charter is about Gender ideology being introduced to nursery school aged children. You are talking about secondary aged children (who also shouldn't be encouraged to believe they can be born on the wrong body either).

Then as Dd pointed out sex is not trans.

Perhaps you arnt aware how much the educational system is enthralled with this ideology?
Gender pronouns 4-6 y
Blue crayon red crayon 4-9y
Above are just 2 titles of books I can remember, that are in schools and libraries.

Why?

I think you have to remember, unelected people have set in place theories and ideas that have no basis in reality.
That badly effect children.

Teachers have become implicit in the dissemination of these unfounded ideas.

We have to find out why?
Yes they need to work and are hamstrung by the pressure to conform to these ideas. But for so many to just give in to it, so easily, why?
They (should) know better than most.

But this movement was not challenged by most people in all kinds of positions.

It's a top down movement. Planned costed, financially supported.

Imv it is not a response to a need from an under privileged group.

"Teachers have become implicit in the dissemination of these unfounded ideas.

We have to find out why?
Yes they need to work and are hamstrung by the pressure to conform to these ideas. But for so many to just give in to it, so easily, why?
They (should) know better than most."

What evidence have you that all teachers are teaching using all these materials uncritically - telling them off and "they should know better?"

Oh really!

There is so much evidence I'm exasperated that you need to ask.

Sorry:
I don't know the situation in Scotland Namsnanny so asked. But in England I have talked at length to my DiL, grandchildren 6,8, 10, 11 and the teachers don't match what you are saying at all.

I see that Lia Thomas has been dropped from the Women’s Sports Hall of Fame, suggesting she should instead pursue recognition in men’s sports.

Elegran

I see that Lia Thomas has been dropped from the Women’s Sports Hall of Fame, suggesting she should instead pursue recognition in men’s sports.

About time too. His titles are being passed to the female winners. As an aside, I teach two girls called Mia. One pronounced Mee-a and one pronounced My-a.
Lia Thomas in female sports is very appropriate.

Wyllow3

Sorry:
I don't know the situation in Scotland Namsnanny so asked. But in England I have talked at length to my DiL, grandchildren 6,8, 10, 11 and the teachers don't match what you are saying at all.

Small children are unlikely to realise they they are being indoctrinated- that’s how it works, isn’t it? Ask if they know what ‘authentic self’ means, if they have heard of someone being ‘in the wrong body’ and how many ‘genders’ there are. If they can engage with any of this nonsense you have your answer, whichever country you are in.

Why I have teachers just complied? It has nothing to do with them being teachers per se. It has much more to do with how people will conform, for fear of being singled out.

Years ago, after staff problems where I worked, it was suggested that we should opt for a union coming into the work place. This was agreed, then the director called a staff meeting to discuss the issue and in a company of about 100, most of whom supported the staff becoming unionised, only 3 of us were prepared to speak out for the motion when the director was there and could see who we were. All the others kept quiet because, as they said later, they thought that saying anything might affect their careers, pay, chances of being made redundant and so on.

I might add, of the 3 of us, one went on to become the Director of the research station, one was close to retirement and I moved on a few years later, I had never planned a long term career with this particular outfit.

Every mass movement, from work place to national is dependent on those too scared to object because other people might not approve.

I'm not sure what point you're making, M0nica, although I agree with what you say about compliance. The question was about what evidence there is that teachers have been complicit in disseminating the trans agenda though - not their motives for doing so.

It is definitely fair to say that it is difficult for people to stand up to the dogma though. This article shows how pervasive it has been.

The point I am making is that people, including teachers will follow insructions as to what they are to do, even when they profoundly disagree, or it is something beyond their normal remit, for fear of being seen to be different and a usually unfounded fear of the consequences.

The kindof people who pile in to anyone who does disagree because it frightens them.

I don't dispute that.

A good/outstanding local school needs improvement after a member of staff mis-pronound a child

Iam64

A good/outstanding local school needs improvement after a member of staff mis-pronound a child

What rubbish.
My name has two spellings, one much more usual than the other which is the one my parents chose. Would my teachers who sometimes misspelled my name have been guilty of a transgression against my identity? Of course not, they just used the common spelling that would more readily come to mind, especially if they were rushed. Referring to a child by the sex you know them to be rather than the identity they've chosen to adopt is instinctive, and would come more naturally.
Have none of these academics heard of the Stroop effect?

Strategic bump for t***l avoidance.