The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

We shall see, TS, if the allegations hold water.

Yes.
Then we can have a good old argument, once we know.

😁

Germanshepherdsmum

There is also an allegation of tax evasion growstuff.

There probably is, but that's not what the police investigation is about.

I think that the most concerned about this issue is the media. I would rather the police spent their time chasing actual criminals

Cadenza123

I think that the most concerned about this issue is the media. I would rather the police spent their time chasing actual criminals

Wow! What a good idea!

(I agree with you, by the way.)

I think it has been said several times on this thread, including by me, that the police investigation is only about the breach of electoral law allegation.
Anyone who has committed a crime is ‘an actual criminal’.

So why is the press reporting: Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said on Friday that they were investigating the sale of her council house in March 2015, after she was accused of giving false information about where she was living for the first five years of her marriage before she was elected as an MP in May 2015.

What I would really like to see enforced is S5(2) Criminal Law Act 1967 aka Wasting Police Time.

Where a person causes any wasteful employment of the police by knowingly making to any person a false report tending to show that an offence has been committed, or to give rise to apprehension for the safety of any persons or property, or tending to show that he has information material to any police inquiry, he shall be liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for not more than six months or to a fine.

Not that a level 4 fine of £2,500 would make a dent in these slur-mongers’ finances but six months in Belmarsh might. Just ask Jeffrey Archer.

Germanshepherdsmum

If crimes have been committed that is not trivial. If tax evasion has taken place it’s a serious matter, no matter the amount involved. You need to separate crimes from ‘misdeeds’, and tax avoidance from tax evasion.

Agreed. But some crimes are less weighty than others as reflected in sentencing guidelines. As you say the time frame for electoral law prosecution has expired so whatever the police think she can't be prosecuted, hence no criminality is probable. The police are not investigating tax matters but on the face of it the time for action by HMRC has expired and she has professional advice on which she is entitled to rely. It smells of a Tory smear campaign to divert attention from their manifest failings in other areas and they seem keen to mix up the alleged tax evasion with the alleged electoral law issue.

I have nothing against regional accents, I love most of them.

The problem with AR is the nasty way she uses such unpleasant language about people or politicians she dislikes. Calling them vile, hateful, scum and other such words. Even worse is the way she says these words with real venom and spite and sneering. She just looks and sounds dreadful.

She has had time enough now to try and improve her social skills but she is no better than when she first entered politics. As the old saying goes “you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.”

Compare her to Labour’s Alan Johnson (who became Home Secretary) who had an even more poverty stricken start in life than AR. Born in slum houses in London in the 50s, father disappeared, Mother died and but for his 16 year old sister who brought him up, was destined for a life in care. He then worked years as a postman before entering politics.

Unlike AR he improved himself and always spoke well, dressed appropriately, had good manners and could get along with people on the street as well as world leaders.

She should take a leaf out of his book. 😉

This is utterly laughable tbh.

Reece Mogg, he carries himself well presumably? I wouldn't scrape him off the bottom of my shoe.

Reece Mogg
Presumably the misspelling of his name is a typo?

I agree about Alan Johnson, someone to be admired.

Primrose53

I have nothing against regional accents, I love most of them.

The problem with AR is the nasty way she uses such unpleasant language about people or politicians she dislikes. Calling them vile, hateful, scum and other such words. Even worse is the way she says these words with real venom and spite and sneering. She just looks and sounds dreadful.

She has had time enough now to try and improve her social skills but she is no better than when she first entered politics. As the old saying goes “you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.”

Compare her to Labour’s Alan Johnson (who became Home Secretary) who had an even more poverty stricken start in life than AR. Born in slum houses in London in the 50s, father disappeared, Mother died and but for his 16 year old sister who brought him up, was destined for a life in care. He then worked years as a postman before entering politics.

Unlike AR he improved himself and always spoke well, dressed appropriately, had good manners and could get along with people on the street as well as world leaders.

She should take a leaf out of his book. 😉

So should a few here.

zakouma66

This is utterly laughable tbh.

Reece Mogg, he carries himself well presumably? I wouldn't scrape him off the bottom of my shoe.

Do you think it would bother JRM what you say? 😝I have seen him put down some real thugs on TV just with a few well chosen words.

I once owned 2 properties at the same time, my previous home and my current home. I owned them both for approx. 5 years. I didn't take anyone's advice when selling one because the facts were stated quite clearly on the documents I completed on selling, I had to state that the property I was selling was in fact my sole residence or words to that effect. I can't remember the exact wording as it was around 2000 so 24 ish years ago but there was no room for error or the need for anyone's advice.

MissAdventure

Primrose53

I have nothing against regional accents, I love most of them.

The problem with AR is the nasty way she uses such unpleasant language about people or politicians she dislikes. Calling them vile, hateful, scum and other such words. Even worse is the way she says these words with real venom and spite and sneering. She just looks and sounds dreadful.

She has had time enough now to try and improve her social skills but she is no better than when she first entered politics. As the old saying goes “you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.”

Compare her to Labour’s Alan Johnson (who became Home Secretary) who had an even more poverty stricken start in life than AR. Born in slum houses in London in the 50s, father disappeared, Mother died and but for his 16 year old sister who brought him up, was destined for a life in care. He then worked years as a postman before entering politics.

Unlike AR he improved himself and always spoke well, dressed appropriately, had good manners and could get along with people on the street as well as world leaders.

She should take a leaf out of his book. 😉

So should a few here.

Possibly. Are you putting yourself forward?

I see you have nothing positive to say about Alan Johnson.

Callistemon21

^Reece Mogg^
Presumably the misspelling of his name is a typo?

I agree about Alan Johnson, someone to be admired.

No its because i'm thick.

😂

I'd love to see Reece Mogg dealing with "thugs" with well chosen words!

I agree, Primrose. Alan Johnson did very well for himself and knew how to fit into his ministerial role. A decent man and I have always admired him. Rayner just seems to delight in being coarse. If she were going to grow into her position, as he did, she would have made the effort to do so long ago.

Grantanow, if it is shown that she broke electoral law that doesn’t mean that there is no criminality. It means that there can be no prosecution. As regards tax evasion, HMRC have 20 years to investigate if they believe there was deliberate tax evasion. Her refusal to disclose the alleged advice in itself raises suspicion. An intelligent person in possession of advice to the effect that no tax was owed on the sale of their house would surely disclose it in the face of media speculation.

I'm even thicker because I copied zakouma's spelling.

I have never considered you to be thick, MissA. Quite the reverse.

Don't be ridiculous, as if I'm "putting myself forward"

Oh Lordy, its like a thick club now! regional accents, unsuitable clothing and an attitude are de rigeur.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have never considered you to be thick, MissA. Quite the reverse.

Thank you.
I don't consider you thick either.
🙂