The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

Germanshepherdsmum. That’s just the word for her “coarse”. 👏 I can’t imagine any young girls listening to her and aspiring to be just like her.

I really admire Alan Johnson and have read all his books about his tough upbringing and how he got into politics. I think there are four. He is also a great writer and has written his first novel which I also enjoyed.

Grantanow: It smells of a Tory smear campaign to divert attention from their manifest failings in other areas and they seem keen to mix up the alleged tax evasion with the alleged electoral law issue.

Which is all it appears to be.

As I have said several times; The Electoral Commission say:

If you split your time between two homes, you may be able to register to vote at both addresses. For example, you might own two properties and split your time between them, or you might spend time at different family addresses.

What on earth was there to be gained by Rayner registering at a house she owns rather than a house owned by her husband. They are in the same Parlimentary constituency.

The only purpose of the Electoral Register is to keep a record of everyone who is entitled to vote and where.

Electoral fraud includes:

•making false statements about the personal character of a candidate
•offering an incentive to someone to get them to vote, to vote a certain way, or to stop them from voting
•interfering with postal votes
•including false statements or signatures on a candidate’s nomination forms
•registering to vote under a false name or without someone’s consent
•influencing someone to vote against their will
•pretending to be someone else and using their vote

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/report-electoral-fraud

By definition, fraud is criminal deception; the using of false representations to obtain an unjust advantage or to injure the rights or interests of another.

What fraud is Rayner alleged to have committed and to what ends?

TinSoldier Your quote is about registering to vote, not registering to be a candidate. The rules seem to be slightly different. Nevertheless, it's not the crime of the century and it's "out of time". All paperwork should have been destroyed a year after the election and any claims about irregularity should have been made within the year.

This post appears to have descended into the realms of a Jane Austen novel🙈 ‘Methinks the lady is coarse and ill-spoken. Forsooth, did she not attend elocution lessons? No, and even worse than that, she was with child aged 16 … out of wedlock😱 She shall never be accepted in polite London society. She is nothing but a harlot. Please pass my fan - I feel the vapours coming on’!

Primrose53

*Germanshepherdsmum*. That’s just the word for her “coarse”. 👏 I can’t imagine any young girls listening to her and aspiring to be just like her.

I really admire Alan Johnson and have read all his books about his tough upbringing and how he got into politics. I think there are four. He is also a great writer and has written his first novel which I also enjoyed.

That makes a significant proportion of the electorate "coarse". too! I suspect that's why she and Starmer complement each other.

LizzieDrip

This post appears to have descended into the realms of a Jane Austen novel🙈 ‘Methinks the lady is coarse and ill-spoken. Forsooth, did she not attend elocution lessons? No, and even worse than that, she was with child aged 16 … out of wedlock😱 She shall never be accepted in polite London society. She is nothing but a harlot. Please pass my fan - I feel the vapours coming on’!

Would you like a sniff of my smelling salts?

I know some of the other HoP residents are alleged to sniff stronger stuff ...

Thank you Growstuff - the smelling salts will do nicely. I’ll leave the ‘stronger stuff’ where it belongs - in the HoC toilets (allegedly)

Yes, and as I posted at 15:08 page 10, Rayner has sold her house before Parliament was dissolved, the date for the 2015 election set and the cut off date for nomination forms to be received.

As this was an election under the Fixed-Term Parliament Act 2011 not a snap election it is always possible that she had completed nomination forms before she sold her house and used the address of the house she sold. I don't believe any such allegations have been made. It all seems to focus on why she registered at her own property and not at her husband's.

Amongst the data where allegations of electoral fraud have been made, I can find one in 2019 where a DUP candidate had submitted a local government election nomination form that included an address that they had previously lived at and not their current one. Once contacted by the police, Lisburn & Castlereagh City Council confirmed that the nomination papers had been accepted for this candidate, and it was too late for the address to be removed from the notice of poll or from the ballot papers for the election. The EC do not explain why the candidate did this only that the candidate received a caution. As the candidate has the right not to have their address printed on the ballot, this is only going to be relevant where it is printed.

The comments on here belong in the past about working class women. Why are we such a frightening species? 😂🤩

Primrose53

zakouma66

This is utterly laughable tbh.

Reece Mogg, he carries himself well presumably? I wouldn't scrape him off the bottom of my shoe.

Do you think it would bother JRM what you say? 😝I have seen him put down some real thugs on TV just with a few well chosen words.

He’s good at put downs, but he can’t take criticism, and he’s hopeless at debate. As Angela would put it, he’s so far up his own arse he could lick the back of his tongue.

Parody is clearly not your strong point, Lizzie Drip,

Germanshepherdsmum

I wish she had aspired to elocution lessons.

I’m responding to this at the point of reading your comment GSM. So I’ve not yet read responses from others.
I lived in Ashton Under Lyne from age 1 - 5, after which I lived in various other Lancashire towns until today - with a two year break in Devon. Work colleagues in Devon called me ‘trouble at’tmill. Most of them were Londoners.
My mum tried her best to stop us developing local accents , she believed a strong Lancashire accent led people to take 10 points of your IQ
Leave us alone with our regional accents. I see Angela Raynor as a success story. The kind of young mum who grabbed the opportunities Sure start then her union gave her. Why on earth should she take elocution lessons

I think working class women unnerve Eton toffs because we won’t be bullied and we won’t cow-tow. These males live in a world that is itself ‘in the past’. I actually find the likes of JRM et al quite pathetic, but I am surprised at the outdated views of some posters on here regarding AR’s ‘fitness for the role’ - clearly she’s not the ‘twin set and pearls’ that a female MP is supposed to be, in the eyes of some. It’s 2024!

Agreed Iam64👏👏👏

I very much doubt she unnerves any Conservatives Lizzie. And btw it’s ‘kowtow’.

I can’t believe people think it’s ok to criticise Angela Rayners accent, good heavens, , don’t we have more than enough ex Etonian’s, with little lived experience of the lives of the majority of the population.

She is a woman who despite a poor start in life has succeeded in breaching that almost insurmountable barrier. She is to be applauded especially by other women.

It’s surely not polite to correct other posters. Innit?

Iam64

Germanshepherdsmum

I wish she had aspired to elocution lessons.

I’m responding to this at the point of reading your comment GSM. So I’ve not yet read responses from others.
I lived in Ashton Under Lyne from age 1 - 5, after which I lived in various other Lancashire towns until today - with a two year break in Devon. Work colleagues in Devon called me ‘trouble at’tmill. Most of them were Londoners.
My mum tried her best to stop us developing local accents , she believed a strong Lancashire accent led people to take 10 points of your IQ
Leave us alone with our regional accents. I see Angela Raynor as a success story. The kind of young mum who grabbed the opportunities Sure start then her union gave her. Why on earth should she take elocution lessons

completely agree Iam64.. regional accents are what make our country so interesting and diverse. I dread the thought of everyone speaking with received BBC accents.. though fortunately people with different accents are now accepted there as well nowdays..

Believe it or not, silverlining, I am not alone. If you think her life experience represents that of the majority of the population, heaven help us.

Thanks GSM. I’ll remember that when I don’t kowtow the next time I’m being patronised

Angela Raynor had a very difficult childhood. Her education and social development held back by her role as cater to her mother.
She’s exactly the young single mum the Sure Start programme, started by the Blair govt and devastated by Cameron, aimed to support. It worked for her as a result of which her constituency has an MP who understands its needs.
She’s got the titles rattled
MissAdventure 👍🏻

If Rayner didn’t unnerve Tories why are they going to these absurd lengths to discredit her?

I don’t care how someone dresses or speaks. The proof will be in the political change for good that a new government can bring about. There’s a world of difference between political theory and political practice. Westminster is a battlefield. I suspect first class honours in PPE count for very little once the whips get their teeth into someone.

One of the most revered politicians of our time was Nye Bevan. Butcher’s boy, coal miner and trade union activist. Without him we would have no NHS.

The Old Etonians and Oxbridge graduates have had fourteen years in government and made a mess of things. Time for a new order and all the better if we have some strong women from different backgrounds in cabinet.

The ONS social mobility barometer tells us that almost half of the population considers itself working class. 54% of people aged 50 to 64 describe themselves as working class. Time we were properly represented.

Absolutely TinSoldier. The old Etonian’s and Oxbridge grads don’t represent me, any of my family or wide friendship group. They don’t give a flying fig about the families and children I spent my forty working years with. Go Angela

Nye Bevan
What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
the same speech at Manchester, 4 July 1948

Germanshepherdsmum

Believe it or not, silverlining, I am not alone. If you think her life experience represents that of the majority of the population, heaven help us.

Not the majority, but a significant number. Many of those are people who don't think that toffs and the "elite" understand their lives or could represent them and sometimes don't bother to vote.