The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

Of course the majority of them aren’t running away from war or persecution. Some are but most aren’t. Many have been interviewed whilst still in France and all they want to do is get to England. I wonder why?

67% of asylum claims are accepted on initial application.

I'm sorry you se it as high horse. I was genuinely shocked by the term "illegals" for human beings.

There are lots of issues around this - countries all over Europe face them - clearly matters need addressing -

but hate words aren't necessary.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/deportation-and-living-in-the-uk-illegally/your-options-if-youre-in-the-uk-illegally/

I think what was meant that they arrived illegally, which they did.

This is becoming a very unpleasant thread.

Asylum seekers are not illegal. If they are processed fairly and deemed to not need asylum then we should deport them.

The fault is us not identifying which people genuinely need help and which do not - leaving all people in a sort of limbo for ages before their cases are decided.

Please don't dehumanise.

For info, the current figures re cases we do look at as potentially needing asylum are such that more than half are proven to be genuine - 63% of those cases we have processed since 2021 were given grants of protection.

You are wrong JenniferEccles when you say the vast majority of those who pitch up here are not in genuine need - because the government thinks otherwise.

I wonder what the people complaining about "illegals" would have thought of DH's grandfather, who walked from Italy to Wales along with many others at the end of the 19th century. All single young men looking for work. He then walked back to London and disappeared into Little Italy. Would the fact that he looked like us have outweighed the fact that he couldn't speak English?

Of course we have freedom of movement between U.K. and the Irish Republic, so anyone there can come here anyway and vice versa.

Any person arriving in the UK without a visa is illegal in UK law and likely to be deported.

If they then claim asylum that is to be determined by a court but they have still arrived illegally and are subject to detention or some kind if supervision, they are not free. They are illegal until a court decides otherwise.

International law is a bigger ass than UK law because it can’t be enforced, UK law can and is being enforced

Urmstongran

Low grade dog whistle politics, classic Irish government. How do they know how many migrants came in to Ireland - there is no border? The Irish government is in a panic after years of uncontrolled migration presided over by Martin himself and Varadkar and now the Irish are rebelling against it, the usual tactic is blame Britain. So even if they are deported to NI - the border is open, they will just walk back over it.

I tend to agree with this.

I really don't believe anyone is encouraging migrants to travel over the Irish sea. They are looked after here. They are given temporary accommodation, dentistry and other nhs care and £49.18 per family member each week for the basics. Any children are obviously allocated school places. They do not get treated so well in France. France have encouraged the small boats.

Maybe a few single men have made it over to Ireland. They are not flooding over the boarder.

The Government has accused the EU of double standards after Ireland vowed to send asylum seekers to the UK despite France refusing to take Channel migrants back.

The row erupted after senior Irish ministers said they would draft emergency laws to send back refugees who had arrived from the UK to avoid being deported to Rwanda.(The Telegraph today)

Perhaps the ones who have crossed over to Ireland have had notice that they will be removed to Rwanda or their home country (failed asylum seekers)

Nicenanny3

I'd call it karma 😊 the EU made such a fuss about not having a hard border. Anyway more boats have come today.

Try having Irish relatives in the Republic like my proud Irish passport holding husband does!

The UK royally screwed the Irish over!!

maddyone

Of course the majority of them aren’t running away from war or persecution. Some are but most aren’t. Many have been interviewed whilst still in France and all they want to do is get to England. I wonder why?

Oh really?

The top two nationalities of asylum seekers in the UK in 2023 was Afghan and Iranian. Both countries have autocratic governments and persecution isn't uncommon.

How do you personally know that the majority of asylum seekers aren't running away from war or persecution?

But the whole point is, the vast majority of those who pitch up here are not in genuine need, are they?

Aren't they?

How do you know? Have ever worked with any of them?

Wyllow3

67% of asylum claims are accepted on initial application.

I'm sorry you se it as high horse. I was genuinely shocked by the term "illegals" for human beings.

There are lots of issues around this - countries all over Europe face them - clearly matters need addressing -

but hate words aren't necessary.

I too find the expression “illegals” abhorrent! They are asylum seekers entering the country illegally.

I’m pretty sure all of us wish they wouldn’t come here, it’s an awful, hazardous journey and too many have drowned. This govt has failed in all areas of immigration. They’ve failed to apprehend the traffickers and they’ve made it more difficult for genuine asylum seekers to legally enter our country and they’ve failed to process them quickly.

Even if the whole Rwanda fiasco ever gets off the ground, it’s incredibly expensive and can only accommodate a small percentage of illegally entering asylum seekers.

NotSpaghetti

This is becoming a very unpleasant thread.

Asylum seekers are not illegal. If they are processed fairly and deemed to not need asylum then we should deport them.

The fault is us not identifying which people genuinely need help and which do not - leaving all people in a sort of limbo for ages before their cases are decided.

Please don't dehumanise.

For info, the current figures re cases we do look at as potentially needing asylum are such that more than half are proven to be genuine - 63% of those cases we have processed since 2021 were given grants of protection.

You are wrong JenniferEccles when you say the vast majority of those who pitch up here are not in genuine need - because the government thinks otherwise.

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I HAVE worked with asylum seekers! The minority are economic migrants, a smaller percentage are criminal. Of course the real criminals are the traffickers and corrupt govts.

In the last batch where a boat overturned a four year old child drowned. Many children come, some are unaccompanied. Women do come too, men of the family tend to come first for many reasons, men are more likely to have been the subject of persecution, they are more likely to survive the journey. How on earth do you think these people get to France??

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Let’s all agree to just call them ‘migrants’. Who happen to pay human traffickers £££s to come over in rubber boats. They come (often) because France has turned down their applications for asylum. France only accept c.29% of migrants who wish to claim asylum, so they try their luck here. We by default accept over 60% of claims (? Why the discrepancy but that’s another conversation) and they KNOW that those who are refused asylum status are rarely sent back anywhere anyway - so for them it’s a win-win situation. Add on all the care and attention we provide - no tent city here, no siree - these migrants rock up on our shores pretty certain they’ve hit the supposed jackpot.

Growstuff There are more Vietnamese migrants arriving than Afghans.
Government figures.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migration-bill/additional-statistics-relating-to-illegal-migration-march-2024#:~:text=6%2C265%20small%20boat%20arrivals%20compared,arriving%20so%20far%20in%202024

May 23rd at 09:30am will mark a worse day for Sunak than even the local elections on May 2nd. The day the ONS releases the net migration figures up to December 2023. Odds are it will be higher than even the year before (net 745,000). Awful timing (election year).

If the dreadful fact that 39 Vietnamese died in the back of a lorry hasn’t deterred Vietnamese migrants I doubt the threat of being deported to Rwanda will hold any fear.

Most of them probably didn’t get the memo petra in these small rural villages.

The British population, and the population of every single other Western nation, have known this about migrants for a long time. We have voted against it for years and for years, we have been ignored. Only an idiot believes a single mainstream party will do anything to stop immigration when the capitalist right love the cheap labour and the socialist left love the cheap voters.

Vote Reform.

Urmstongran

Let’s all agree to just call them ‘migrants’. Who happen to pay human traffickers £££s to come over in rubber boats. They come (often) because France has turned down their applications for asylum. France only accept c.29% of migrants who wish to claim asylum, so they try their luck here. We by default accept over 60% of claims (? Why the discrepancy but that’s another conversation) and they KNOW that those who are refused asylum status are rarely sent back anywhere anyway - so for them it’s a win-win situation. Add on all the care and attention we provide - no tent city here, no siree - these migrants rock up on our shores pretty certain they’ve hit the supposed jackpot.

“Win win”? Interesting phrase!

Many only pay a “deposit” to their traffickers agreeing to work for them (they believe legitimately) once here, however of course if not picked up and properly “escorted” by our authorities they then disappear into our black economy, often into modern slavery. Those who are “housed” aren’t, in the main, housed in comfortable hotels and fed via the hotels. During lockdown they, along with our homeless, were housed in more than adequate accommodation, not quite so now.

I agree migration is a huge issue and much more should be done to control both those entering illegally and via legal means.

Urmstongran

Most of them probably didn’t get the memo petra in these small rural villages.

The British population, and the population of every single other Western nation, have known this about migrants for a long time. We have voted against it for years and for years, we have been ignored. Only an idiot believes a single mainstream party will do anything to stop immigration when the capitalist right love the cheap labour and the socialist left love the cheap voters.

Vote Reform.

No thanks! I’ll stay being an “idiot” thanks. I cannot say here what I feel about Reform and many of their supporters as I’d be banned!

Oh dear URMIt appears every government bar your own is inept ,ineffective or just plain stupid! Maybe take a very close look at Westminster its one of the most corrupt parliaments in the western world .A place where paedophiles hide in plain sight ,MP have multiple jobs ,some work from abroad and STILL get paid.expenses claimed for houses they dont need because they live minutes from WM and much much more.But lets have a wee pop at any or every country ONCE ruined by the "great" UK ..is this your attempt at saying no country who gains freedom from the chains of a very bad "master " have done a very bad job ? You are wrong Ireland is a successful country...have you ever been there?
NONE yes thats none ,zero ,zilch of the countries who gained their freedom from the DIS united kingdom have ever wanted back...HOW Ireland rules its OWN country is begger all to do with you..much like how Scotland does.The problems
YOU have is the ENGLISH government,maybe try to do something about them!!
Preferably BEFORE they drag us into yet another ILLEGAL war!!

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