The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

I agree paddyone our government have actively mismanaged what is now a decline that’s why I intend to vote Reform at the next GE.

They are not right wing. Just right. And they have our UK values front and centre.

Yes I’ve been to ROI paddyanne. I remember the days of the Celtic Tiger very well. Now (post Varadkar and with their own migrant problems) not doing quite so well I believe.

ONS figures up until March 2023 show that 21, 000+ visa holders have gone on to claim Asylum.

The English don't have their own government unfortunately paddyanne. If we did maybe the English regions other than the south east would have more of a say.

You seem more than usually agitated paddyanne. Are things not going well north of the boarder?

Never mind we will all get a chance to have a say at the next GE.

Am I right in thinking that, prior to Brexit we could legally return migrants back to France but Brexit put paid to that? Was it the Dublin agreement or something like that??

MayBee70, I believe you are right but for some reason we don't want to remind people about that...

Wiki:

"Before Brexit, the return of migrants to EU countries was governed by the Dublin Agreement, under which migrants could be sent back to a safe third country through which they had passed before arriving at their destination."

Urmstongran

More ONS Stats : 40% of muslim men are not economically active.

85% of muslim women are economically inactive.

As many of the immigrants are muslim, that bodes well for the UK. Not.

Pretty easy from your statement to understand why you’re voting Reform!

Cossy

Urmstongran

Let’s all agree to just call them ‘migrants’. Who happen to pay human traffickers £££s to come over in rubber boats. They come (often) because France has turned down their applications for asylum. France only accept c.29% of migrants who wish to claim asylum, so they try their luck here. We by default accept over 60% of claims (? Why the discrepancy but that’s another conversation) and they KNOW that those who are refused asylum status are rarely sent back anywhere anyway - so for them it’s a win-win situation. Add on all the care and attention we provide - no tent city here, no siree - these migrants rock up on our shores pretty certain they’ve hit the supposed jackpot.

“Win win”? Interesting phrase!

Many only pay a “deposit” to their traffickers agreeing to work for them (they believe legitimately) once here, however of course if not picked up and properly “escorted” by our authorities they then disappear into our black economy, often into modern slavery. Those who are “housed” aren’t, in the main, housed in comfortable hotels and fed via the hotels. During lockdown they, along with our homeless, were housed in more than adequate accommodation, not quite so now.

I agree migration is a huge issue and much more should be done to control both those entering illegally and via legal means.

I wouldn't call gambling your life in a leaky boat, having spent you life savings on paying a known scoundrel for the journey, as a win-win situation.

From ONS:

In 2021, people who identified as "Muslim" had the lowest percentage of people aged 16 to 64 years in employment (51.4% compared with 70.9% of the overall population); this resulted from the high percentages of people who were students or looking after home or family in this group.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religionbyhousinghealthemploymentandeducationenglandandwales/census2021

What's wrong with being a student or looking after home or family?

And they have our UK values front and centre

Well, I'm British through and through - and Reform doesn't represent my values.

petra

Growstuff There are more Vietnamese migrants arriving than Afghans.
Government figures.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migration-bill/additional-statistics-relating-to-illegal-migration-march-2024#:~:text=6%2C265%20small%20boat%20arrivals%20compared,arriving%20so%20far%20in%202024

Those figures are only for the first four months of this year. I admit I hadn't seen them. Mine were for the whole of 2023. That's quite worrying because you can bet most of the Vietnamese have been trafficked.

MayBee70

Am I right in thinking that, prior to Brexit we could legally return migrants back to France but Brexit put paid to that? Was it the Dublin agreement or something like that??

If that were true surely France would simply ship them off to somewhere else. I'm sure there was some arrangement to disperse people around the EU.

Nevertheless but asylum seekers are not per se criminals and using this language is designed to foster hate and dehumanising individuals and has been use by politicians deliberately to denigrate those who seek genuine help.

Well said Wyllow; the voice of reason👏

Ursula von der Leyen’s party has proposed asylum deals with third countries, with Rishi Sunak claiming parties in the European Union were “following our lead” on illegal migration.

‌The European Commissioner’s European People’s Party (EPP), the largest in the European Parliament, has said it wants to “implement the concept of safe third countries.”

‌In its manifesto for the European Elections in June,it said: “Anyone applying for asylum in the EU could also be transferred to a safe third country and undergo the asylum process there”. (The Telegraph today)

No one has said they are all criminals or that some aren't genuine refugees. That being the case The Irish republic should have no problem taking them if that's where they choose to go. Ireland is a rich country.

In response to Urmstongran’s call to ‘vote reform’.

Cossy
“No thanks! I’ll stay being an “idiot” thanks. I cannot say here what I feel about Reform and many of their supporters as I’d be banned!”

Totally agree with you Cossy. I’d have to join you in the ‘banned corner’. Never, never, never could I vote Reform!

We have voted against it for years and for years, we have been ignored. Only an idiot believes a single mainstream party will do anything to stop immigration when the capitalist right love the cheap labour and the socialist left love the cheap voters.

I’m another one who’ll be staying ‘an idiot’. So insulting on many levels.

Urmstongran

France encourages them cross the channel, the UK encourages them to cross the Irish Sea or they will go to Rwanda, Ireland can’t repatriate to UK because their courts have said UK is not safe because they will be deported to Rwanda, so Ireland gets the the hump with France and they finally do something to stop the boats.

A solution in the making?

Hope so, The Irish are not going to be as meek and mild was we are

growstuff

*And they have our UK values front and centre*

Well, I'm British through and through - and Reform doesn't represent my values.

Or mine, nor those of my family and the majority of my friends

Mamardoit

No one has said they are all criminals or that some aren't genuine refugees. That being the case The Irish republic should have no problem taking them if that's where they choose to go. Ireland is a rich country.

Are you have a laugh? A rich country? Stats please to back up this statement?

J52

*We have voted against it for years and for years, we have been ignored. Only an idiot believes a single mainstream party will do anything to stop immigration when the capitalist right love the cheap labour and the socialist left love the cheap voters.*

I’m another one who’ll be staying ‘an idiot’. So insulting on many levels.

I’m an idiotic cheap voter !

LizzieDrip

^Nevertheless but asylum seekers are not per se criminals and using this language is designed to foster hate and dehumanising individuals and has been use by politicians deliberately to denigrate those who seek genuine help.^

Well said Wyllow; the voice of reason👏

I agree

Cossy

growstuff

And they have our UK values front and centre

Well, I'm British through and through - and Reform doesn't represent my values.

Or mine, nor those of my family and the majority of my friends

Oh how very lovely for you 😇

karmalady

Urmstongran

France encourages them cross the channel, the UK encourages them to cross the Irish Sea or they will go to Rwanda, Ireland can’t repatriate to UK because their courts have said UK is not safe because they will be deported to Rwanda, so Ireland gets the the hump with France and they finally do something to stop the boats.

A solution in the making?

Hope so, The Irish are not going to be as meek and mild was we are

No, the Irish are quite confrontational and feisty about problems and their government is trying to deal with a novel situation of immigration instead of the usual emigration.