The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

swvg-refugees.org.uk/about-asylum/asylum-facts/uk-compare-countries/

mae13

But, Cossy, we ARE the mugs, the laughing stock, the Clown Fools of Europe. And if someone has deliberately "lost" all identity documentation then they are illegal - possibly/probably criminal too.

Sorry, but respectfully, as an ex Civil Servant who actually worked with many vulnerable groups, including asylum seekers, I utterly disagree.

Bigotry and ignorance are terrible things, however how fortunate are we in our country that we still have freedom of speech (and print), that we are able to critique our govt and the opposition, that we are able to “come out” as gay and follow whichever religion we choose and freely express our opinions however ill-informed.

Not the case in so many countries! Most of us live safely here purely as an accident of birth!

“Just reading this morning of someone who had got to Belfast, heard about Rwanda and paid somebody around 4000 euros to help him cross the border to go to Dublin!! Is this going to be the new scam? luluaugust”

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Omg funniest thing I’ve read for an age!

I’m married to a proud Irishman. We have family in Southern Ireland. Brexit screwed them over!

I’ve worked in both the North and South of Ireland, if you’ve never been and don’t know the geography (or the history of how the English screwed them over time and time again!) then please don’t just repost media or hearsay rot.

Elegran

The condemnation of the people smugglers goes without saying, Zakouma We don't need to condemn murderers, muggers, and thieves with every post either - that goes without saying.

Errr I for one, along with others, have constantly and consistently blamed the traffickers, along with our govt, for the “hoards” of people risking their lives in small inadequate rubber boats!

Never mind among the last dead was a four year old child!

She was 7y.o. Other prospective migrants stormed the already overloaded rubber boat according to her41 y.o. father who was interviewed on the BBC this morning.

Some of these people do not have the extortionate money to pay the human traffickers so they are trying to force their way onto the dinghies instead. More tragedies will be in the offing from the French coast this summer.

This whole situation is untenable. And dangerous. It needs to be stopped. Some horrible people are making an awful lot of money out of this misery. Do they care? Do the heck. It will be business as usual today.

Spain has the same problem in the Canary Islands and Italy as well, in Sicily.

However, The President in Italy and the President of The E.U. had done to Libya & Tunisa to pay off the Presidents to control the Smugglers.

It is a very sad story, for those who are not criminals. Many are women with babies or pregnant and many are just seeking a better economic life as there are no opportunities in their native countries.

Italy was making a deal with Albania as a 3rd country to accept migrants.

It is a horror scene for all involved including the European countries.

Urmstongran

She was 7y.o. Other prospective migrants stormed the already overloaded rubber boat according to her41 y.o. father who was interviewed on the BBC this morning.

Some of these people do not have the extortionate money to pay the human traffickers so they are trying to force their way onto the dinghies instead. More tragedies will be in the offing from the French coast this summer.

This whole situation is untenable. And dangerous. It needs to be stopped. Some horrible people are making an awful lot of money out of this misery. Do they care? Do the heck. It will be business as usual today.

I completely agree with your statements that this situation needs to be stopped, and it’s dangerous and traffickers are far more of an issue than the migrants and that many of the migrants are now desperate.

Apologies, I’ve just read a statement from the father of this girl, yes she was 7, not 4. As if her age makes any difference at all, she was a vulnerable child.

Cossy

“Just reading this morning of someone who had got to Belfast, heard about Rwanda and paid somebody around 4000 euros to help him cross the border to go to Dublin!! Is this going to be the new scam? luluaugust”

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Omg funniest thing I’ve read for an age!

I’m married to a proud Irishman. We have family in Southern Ireland. Brexit screwed them over!

I’ve worked in both the North and South of Ireland, if you’ve never been and don’t know the geography (or the history of how the English screwed them over time and time again!) then please don’t just repost media or hearsay rot.

Actually you are wrong have a look on Channel 4 on YouTube a Morrocan asylum seeker said some had been scammed and had paid 1400 pounds to cross over to Ireland. I think you should apologise to luluaugust

Cossy you sound very het up. It can’t be doing your blood pressure any good.

“Irish authorities begin clearing ‘shanty town’ of asylum seekers
About 200 migrants in Dublin will be moved to more sanitary accommodation as Taoiseach says tents will not be allowed to return”

Nicenanny3

Cossy

“Just reading this morning of someone who had got to Belfast, heard about Rwanda and paid somebody around 4000 euros to help him cross the border to go to Dublin!! Is this going to be the new scam? luluaugust”

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Omg funniest thing I’ve read for an age!

I’m married to a proud Irishman. We have family in Southern Ireland. Brexit screwed them over!

I’ve worked in both the North and South of Ireland, if you’ve never been and don’t know the geography (or the history of how the English screwed them over time and time again!) then please don’t just repost media or hearsay rot.

Actually you are wrong have a look on Channel 4 on YouTube a Morrocan asylum seeker said some had been scammed and had paid 1400 pounds to cross over to Ireland. I think you should apologise to luluaugust

I have to say that it sounds like a very plausible scam to me. Someone is exploiting asylum seekers' ignorance of the the nature of the 'border' between NI and ROI.

I’m disputing the fact that this asylum seeker paid to be taken over the border. It’s very easy to get across from Belfast to a Dublin. I’m not disputing than a, or many, asylum seekers ended up in Belfast.

I’m not “het up”, my BP is fine thanks, and I’m also not suggesting that migration, both legal and illegal, isn’t an issue. It most certainly is!

And re the 41y.o. father of the 7 y.o. who died. Latest news:
“Iraqi father was trying to smuggle his family across the Channel because the Swedish Government ( which was where the family was living) wanted to return the family to Iraq because that country is now deemed to be safe.”

* luluaugust*

I do apologise! What an awful thing to do to anyone, I hadn’t read the story and I stand completely corrected!

Urmstongran

And re the 41y.o. father of the 7 y.o. who died. Latest news:
“Iraqi father was trying to smuggle his family across the Channel because the Swedish Government ( which was where the family was living) wanted to return the family to Iraq because that country is now deemed to be safe.”

Yes I read that whole story. This poor man obviously didn’t feel it was safe though and was desperate. I’m not supporting what he did and I wish there were some good, quick solutions. I feel so sorry for him and his remaining family.

He said he will never forgive himself. Tragic outcome to a decision he chose to make.

Elegran

Sorry, Zakouma I was replying to Nicenanny but your name was at the front of my mind at the time.

Thats OK Elegran. Really, I've run out of steam. Nobody is listening to anything anymore. Its desperately sad.

swvg-refugees.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Claiming-Asylum-in-the-UK-1.pdf
" One of the current challenges faced in the UK is the level of misunderstanding by the public around immigration, asylum seekers and refugees. This is a direct result of the popular media providing incorrect and inflammatory press coverage see for example Khan 2012 and as a consequence, people are not being informed by real facts and evidence. This has resulted in confusion at best and hatred at worst. This paper attempts to address some of those myths by presenting real data and evidence."

Cossy

Urmstongran

She was 7y.o. Other prospective migrants stormed the already overloaded rubber boat according to her41 y.o. father who was interviewed on the BBC this morning.

Some of these people do not have the extortionate money to pay the human traffickers so they are trying to force their way onto the dinghies instead. More tragedies will be in the offing from the French coast this summer.

This whole situation is untenable. And dangerous. It needs to be stopped. Some horrible people are making an awful lot of money out of this misery. Do they care? Do the heck. It will be business as usual today.

I completely agree with your statements that this situation needs to be stopped, and it’s dangerous and traffickers are far more of an issue than the migrants and that many of the migrants are now desperate.

Apologies, I’ve just read a statement from the father of this girl, yes she was 7, not 4. As if her age makes any difference at all, she was a vulnerable child.

The poor girl didn’t drown, she was pushed under foot by a group of young Somalian men who rushed the boat ( didn’t pay to go) and suffocated under them within the boat .
The Father says he desperately asked them to move so he could get her out and they refused and threatened him.
These men are now here in the UK. Lovely.

Well trying to seek one positive in this, it’s possible UK politicians have finally started to find the spine to wield some of the power returned to them by Brexit.

Previously, this type of intra-EU immigration issue was an EU matter, governed by things like the Dublin Agreement. The UK was ultimately something of a rule taker.

Ministers are now finding they can say "no" and mean it. There is no overarching EU agreement backed up by EU courts to overrule them or force a particular policy through. The buck actually does stop with Westminister.

And the Irish are finding it's suddenly a lot harder to browbeat an independent UK that can simply say "no" to things.

Urmstongran

He said he will never forgive himself. Tragic outcome to a decision he chose to make.

Apparently the family have been in Europe for a good few years but both Sweden and Belgium turned them down for asylum and they were due to be deported.
I would rather that the UK offered them a home here, subject to finding out exactly why they were due for deportation of course, and then turning down for asylum and deporting the group of young Somalians asap.

Apparently the family have been in Europe for a good few years but both Sweden and Belgium turned them down for asylum and they were due to be deported.

So the salient question here is why? Why did 2 European countries reject the application for asylum? And if they had just cause to reject them, why is Britain responsible for accepting them? They had to pass through France but didn't appear to have made any application for asylum there. Why not? Why Britain?

PuddyCat this man (Ahmed) his wife and two remaining children are in France, they are waiting for their daughter’s death certificate in order to bury her.

He has said today he has no idea what to do or where to go next.

Just saying Puddycat that in this one case I think that we could offer them asylum but subject to finding out first why they were refused elsewhere.Or France could.😃

799 migrants arrived by rubber boats today. I suppose the weather is milder now. More to come soon.