The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

Oreo

Yes zakouma66 our own British citizens, many with MH problems or drug addictions or ex soldiers or teenagers and young men and women thrown out by their parents or brought up in care who can easily end up on the streets homeless.

But the difference is all British citizens have a right to mainstream benefits and to find work, asylum seekers have no such rights until processed and given leave to remain.

I’m not suggesting life is easy for either groups.

It is interesting how often times of turmoil within governments and political parties are accompanied by venom toward foreigners living within our shores.

Wyllow3

I agree MayBee. There is a pervasive narrative on here at times here trying to blame all our ills on "foreigners" "illegals", "them, not "us", and avoiding what you allude to.

This narrative fails to mention what many migrants have contributed to, only alluding to examples of "bad migrants", and that we have run down the processing system to allow a speedier return of purely economic migrants.

Indeed. There are some who seem to feel that one human is more important than another. These people, British or otherwise, are all HUMANS and all deserve help. Anyone who has followed an asylum seeking journey will realise what an arduous journey they have already had.

Thurrock council are bankrupt! They have no housing currently.

Wyllow3

67% of asylum claims are accepted on initial application.

I'm sorry you se it as high horse. I was genuinely shocked by the term "illegals" for human beings.

There are lots of issues around this - countries all over Europe face them - clearly matters need addressing -

but hate words aren't necessary.

Yes because it's easier to do that. Papers destroyed, how can you prove anything otherwise. So easier to give them asylum then to try and prove otherwise. Saying you come from Afghanistan, oh I worked for British forces, seems they all did, what proof of that.
I would like to know how deep their enquiries go. Not very I would say. Seeing as France rejects most applications, so they try their luck here, yay jackpot.
Our asylum rates three time that of France, in fact EU acceptance has dropped to 35% .
I'm extremely cynical about our Immigration services.

Elegran

It is interesting how often times of turmoil within governments and political parties are accompanied by venom toward foreigners living within our shores.

Personally, I find it disgusting!

I sometimes imagine one of most venomous anti-asylum-seekers shipwrecked in a foreign land, having lost all their money and possessions, and family members too, and staggering ashore to get help, but being driven back by the well-fed inhabitants into the waves.

I believe the Republic of Ireland government is rushing through legislation to change the status of the UK from "unsafe" to "quite perfectly safe after all" to facilitate pushing the influx of migrants back over the Irish Sea!

Now, excuse me, but why doesn't our government take a leaf out of Eire's book and turn around the hordes of illegals setting sail from France - a very safe country? Or is it the usual story? The Brits are mugs that the rest of Europe feels free to ride roughshod over......it has ever been thus for as long as I can remember.

It is interesting how often times of turmoil within governments and political parties are accompanied by venom toward foreigners living within our shores

That’s right Elegran. It’s a phenomenon that has occurred in many countries throughout history. Sadly those in power today don’t appear to have learned anything from mistakes made in the past.

mae13

I believe the Republic of Ireland government is rushing through legislation to change the status of the UK from "unsafe" to "quite perfectly safe after all" to facilitate pushing the influx of migrants back over the Irish Sea!

Now, excuse me, but why doesn't our government take a leaf out of Eire's book and turn around the hordes of illegals setting sail from France - a very safe country? Or is it the usual story? The Brits are mugs that the rest of Europe feels free to ride roughshod over......it has ever been thus for as long as I can remember.

Please stop referring to humans as “illegals”! Britain is not a “mug”, many other countries did nitially take far more asylum seekers and if you feel you need to blame someone then blame the evil greedy traffickers and our inept government!

zakouma66

I can't begin to imagine what joy you get from this Nicenanny3
What in your psyche or past leads you to this moment where you celebrate this with such obvious delight.

Do you know the history with NI and Ireland an EU member state and all the ho ha about having no borders and free movement, I suggest you look it up. Yes I'm happy that they are going to Ireland.

I think the communities where these - mainly - young men are being dumped (in large numbers) are justified in their anxiety and apprehension because they very likely come from countries where women have very low status and few/no rights. These guys certainly aren't about to have some epiphany and change their mindset, suddenly deciding to treat women with respect. Quite the reverse, I fear.

Please stop referring to humans as “illegals”! Britain is not a “mug”, many other countries did nitially take far more asylum seekers and if you feel you need to blame someone then blame the evil greedy traffickers and our inept government

Cossy 👏👏👏

But, Cossy, we ARE the mugs, the laughing stock, the Clown Fools of Europe. And if someone has deliberately "lost" all identity documentation then they are illegal - possibly/probably criminal too.

Elegran

I sometimes imagine one of most venomous anti-asylum-seekers shipwrecked in a foreign land, having lost all their money and possessions, and family members too, and staggering ashore to get help, but being driven back by the well-fed inhabitants into the waves.

You sound very bitter and naive the ones coming over on the small boats have paid thousands of Euros to people smuggling gangs to get here obviously you must think this is ok. I've never seen any condemnation of the people smuggling gangs on here only having pops and making nasty comments at concerned gransnetters who don't agree with you, perhaps you should take a long hard look in the mirror.

Here are some FACTS about refugees and asylum seekers in the UK. I shall pick out a few details to post once I am dressed and have had some breakfast.
www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/

The condemnation of the people smugglers goes without saying, Zakouma We don't need to condemn murderers, muggers, and thieves with every post either - that goes without saying.

Nicenanny perhaps you should take a long hard look in the mirror

Pot and kettle come to mind here!

There has been plenty of condemnation of people smugglers on this and similar threads. In fact, it's probably the key thing we all agree on. It's definitely a European wide issue and cant be tackled just from our end. Unfortunately our ability to work with Europe has been reduced since Brexit

ukandeu.ac.uk/policing-capabilities-lessened-after-brexit/

Nevertheless, cross border policing is central.

Sorry, Zakouma I was replying to Nicenanny but your name was at the front of my mind at the time.

Just reading this morning of someone who had got to Belfast, heard about Rwanda and paid somebody around 4000 euros to help him cross the border to go to Dublin!! Is this going to be the new scam?

But, Cossy, we ARE the mugs, the laughing stock, the Clown Fools of Europe

mae13 ‘shouting’ in capital letters doesn’t make it true. However, if we are the ‘laughing stock of Europe’ it is only because of Brexit. We are the only country in the world to voluntarily impose economic sanctions upon ourself. I suppose that does deserve some derision from our European peers.

Just reading this morning of someone who had got to Belfast, heard about Rwanda and paid somebody around 4000 euros to help him cross the border to go to Dublin!! Is this going to be the new scam? luluaugust

Rubbish! There’s a regular bus service from Belfast to Dublin. It takes 1 hour 50 mins and costs €13.

Right, here are facts about refugees and asylum seekers, from
www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/ Definitions first, and whether they must seek refuge in the first country they reach.

" What is a refugee?
According to the UN Refugee Convention, the definition of a refugee is someone who: ‘owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country’ (Article 1, 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees)."

"What is an asylum seeker?
The definition of an asylum seeker is someone who has arrived in a country and asked for asylum. Until they receive a decision as to whether or not they are a refugee, they are known as an asylum seeker. In the UK, this means they do not have the same rights as a refugee or a British citizen would. For example, people seeking asylum aren’t allowed to work.
The right to seek asylum is a legal right we all share. It isn’t illegal to seek asylum, because seeking asylum is a legal process. It also isn’t illegal to be refused asylum – it just means you haven’t been able to meet the very strict criteria to prove your need for protection as a refugee.

"Do people have to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach?
No. The 1951 Refugee Convention does not require a person to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. People trying to cross the Channel can legitimately claim asylum in the UK if they reach it."

Just google 'why do immigrants prefer the UK than France' and you'll find the answer.
Home goal comes to mind.

68% of all people seeking asylum wait longer than six months for a decision

Banned from working, vulnerable families struggle to survive on just £5.84 a day

Over half of people are granted refugee status on appeal