The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

The country is on its knees and this racism isn't helping.

Discussing mass immigration isn’t racism; you need to learn the difference. The days of being able to shut down reasonable debate on the subject with accusations of racism are hopefully over. It’s about numbers not race.

The contentious issue is illegal migration where the majority are economic migrants, many do get asylum but only because their country of origin is not regarded as “safe”.
That has nothing to do with political asylum, a great many countries are not safe if you’re the wrong tribe or religion.

To be concerned who is entering the U.K. and why is not racism Zakouma66

I want the processing of the migrants/asylum seekers to be quicker, and if they are refused asylum they should be deported immediately.

Being baptised as a Christian (as recommended by various agencies )makes a mockery of their faith, my faith (I was raised a Christian) along with our immigration policy…

For what its worth I think concern and racism can coexist.

I am massively concerned about thousands of people " disappearing". I am concerned that the HO isn't fit for purpose.

Some of the posts on here and the continued use of words like " illegals" are toe curling. When it appears there has been a break through and people seeking asylum may be able to work fairly quickly, the instant response is to worry about dangers and problems. I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work.

zakouma66

For what its worth I think concern and racism can coexist.

I am massively concerned about thousands of people " disappearing". I am concerned that the HO isn't fit for purpose.

Some of the posts on here and the continued use of words like " illegals" are toe curling. When it appears there has been a break through and people seeking asylum may be able to work fairly quickly, the instant response is to worry about dangers and problems. I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work.

The Ukrainian refugees were mainly women and children as the male population between certain ages were not allowed to leave Ukraine.

The majority of Ukrainian refugees had no desire to resettle in U.K. permanently, they desperately wanted to return to their homeland, and many already have.

I am not aware of any Ukrainian refugees paying gangs of traffickers €€’s to cross the channel in small unsafe dinghies whilst destroying their papers…

I wonder what the rate of destroying papers is? And how many other people are desperately clinging on to them. I suppose we will never know.

Its a mess alright.

Zakouma66 that is one thing we can agree on it’s definitely a mess.

zakouma66

For what its worth I think concern and racism can coexist.

I am massively concerned about thousands of people " disappearing". I am concerned that the HO isn't fit for purpose.

Some of the posts on here and the continued use of words like " illegals" are toe curling. When it appears there has been a break through and people seeking asylum may be able to work fairly quickly, the instant response is to worry about dangers and problems. I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work.

Just stop and think about what you said!

The Ukrainians had paperwork and passports in the main. No problem processing them and in them finding work.

Oh and this compassionless woman is still helping out a young Ukrainian Mum having provided her with a double bed, towels, clothes airer etc etc. her English is getting much better but she still contacts me for advice.

I have just done a quick internet search and apparently 98% of those arriving in boats and other illegal means haven’t got a passport or any other form ID.

They are actively encouraged by the traffickers to destroy all of their papers

I am wondering as a fair few have smartphones if they have kept digital copies…

And people complain that it takes the HO too long to process these people. How do you begin to do that when the person has no documentary evidence of who they are, how old they are, where they have come from? I am far from comfortable with just taking their word for such important information.

Katie59

The contentious issue is illegal migration where the majority are economic migrants, many do get asylum but only because their country of origin is not regarded as “safe”.
That has nothing to do with political asylum, a great many countries are not safe if you’re the wrong tribe or religion.

It doesn't help when you post falsehoods, Katie59. The majority of the 'illegal' immigrants, if you're referring to the asylum seekers. are NOT economic migrants. Some 2 thirds are granted asylum from their initial application and more are granted it on appeal. Economic migrants appear to be very much in the minority.

GrannyGravy13

zakouma66

For what its worth I think concern and racism can coexist.

I am massively concerned about thousands of people " disappearing". I am concerned that the HO isn't fit for purpose.

Some of the posts on here and the continued use of words like " illegals" are toe curling. When it appears there has been a break through and people seeking asylum may be able to work fairly quickly, the instant response is to worry about dangers and problems. I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work.

The Ukrainian refugees were mainly women and children as the male population between certain ages were not allowed to leave Ukraine.

The majority of Ukrainian refugees had no desire to resettle in U.K. permanently, they desperately wanted to return to their homeland, and many already have.

I am not aware of any Ukrainian refugees paying gangs of traffickers €€’s to cross the channel in small unsafe dinghies whilst destroying their papers…

I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work

Plus Ukrainian people arriving under the Family Scheme have applied for and been given temporary visas only, have not disappeared without trace.

MaizieD

Katie59

The contentious issue is illegal migration where the majority are economic migrants, many do get asylum but only because their country of origin is not regarded as “safe”.
That has nothing to do with political asylum, a great many countries are not safe if you’re the wrong tribe or religion.

It doesn't help when you post falsehoods, Katie59. The majority of the 'illegal' immigrants, if you're referring to the asylum seekers. are NOT economic migrants. Some 2 thirds are granted asylum from their initial application and more are granted it on appeal. Economic migrants appear to be very much in the minority.

I know and acknowledge the proportion granted asylum but it’s a “fait accompli”, if they are from Afghanistan, Sudan or many other places they are automatically accepted. All they have to do is cross the channel.

Or, in the absence of documentary evidence, if they say they are from those countries.

Have a lovely day!

I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work

Could that be because they arrived on an aeroplane carrying their passports zakouma6? Bit different arriving on a rubber boat with no documentation. That’s what worries me.

By making entry to the UK illegal without providing safe routes for asylum seekers and refugees the situation has just been made worse. It's been going nearly a year and numbers just go up. Falling into the hands of people smugglers who force people to ditch papers increases. Of course it was different for Ukrainians, its was an arranged scheme.

Wyllow3

By making entry to the UK illegal without providing safe routes for asylum seekers and refugees the situation has just been made worse. It's been going nearly a year and numbers just go up. Falling into the hands of people smugglers who force people to ditch papers increases. Of course it was different for Ukrainians, its was an arranged scheme.

Why would the genuine ones ditch their papers they wouldn't, its the one's who are not genuine the people smugglers tell to get rid of any ID papers and they also coach them on what to say. Even if there were safe and legal routes the ones refused do you think would just give up no they would still try and get here on the small boats, that's why we need a safe country to send them to like Rwanda as a deterrent. It's naive to think otherwise in my opinion. Also all this talk from Labour about we have to smash the smuggling gangs well don't you think that's what had been happening but it such big business even if you managed to take down one gang another one would take its place.

I also think the big increase this week coming over on the boats is because the gangs are getting them over before the Rwanda scheme gets into operation and hopefully their customers will dry up. Wishful thinking perhaps but I've got my fingers crossed🤞

You have a lovely day too Nicenanny!

Wyllow3

By making entry to the UK illegal without providing safe routes for asylum seekers and refugees the situation has just been made worse. It's been going nearly a year and numbers just go up. Falling into the hands of people smugglers who force people to ditch papers increases. Of course it was different for Ukrainians, its was an arranged scheme.

The migrants coming to the uk in inflatables started in 2018.

Indeed. How can anyone think it’s been happening for ‘nearly a year’? Or have I misunderstood something?

Yes, people have been arriving here in small boats since 2018 when there was a clampdown by the UK and France on people stowing away on lorries, trains etc to cross the Channel.

People had been arriving in other European countries by boat or other means for several years before 2018.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

In my late teens early twenties I was stuck on a campsite at Calais because it was bank holiday and I couldn’t cash my travellers cheques and there were people on the campsite hoping to get across the channel ( not sure how they did it back then). So it’s been going on for decades.

In lorries back then. Lord knows how many have come here that way in the past, don’t officially exist and are working in the black economy, paying no taxes.

Germanshepherdsmum

In lorries back then. Lord knows how many have come here that way in the past, don’t officially exist and are working in the black economy, paying no taxes.

Or more worrying swallowed up into domestic servitude, the sex trade or modern slavery.