Immigration and migrants

Casdon

GPS get extra contractual payments for attending group facilities, which includes prisons, nursing homes, and detention centres. The work is optional, and if a practice takes up a contract they have to demonstrate that it doesn’t affect their routine work.

I would assume that GSM and other posters who are blaming migrants for all the problems of the NHS also object to GPs attending patients in prisons, nursing homes etc, even after their practices have demonstrated that it doesn't affect their routine work. After all, the inhabitants of HMP's include a higher proportion of criminals and liars than do the migrant centres.

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

The GP’s surgery in my son’s village provides healthcare for immigrants in a centre in the neighbouring village. They can’t be in two places at once. How many of us get ‘home visits’ nowadays? The immigrants do.

So lets get this straight? I know you love a bit of evidence.

Doctors are visiting immigrants ( whatever that means) and the indiginous population is going without?

There are no additional doctors. The practice covers several villages. Work it out.

Horribly rude but never mind. I suggest a strongly worded email to the Practice Manager. Look forward to an update.

Ask the Practice Manager whether the practice demonstrated that taking up a contract doesn’t affect their routine work. A straight question may get you a straight answer as to exactly what is affecting their routine work.

Wyllow3

I wondered if if might come to a statement like that, GSM. You can't know what the other posters on here are experiencing, or family troubles. We are not blind. Shortages of GP's are systemic

The Health foundation:
"In 2021/2022 there was a shortage of around 4,200 full time equivalent (FTE) fully qualified, permanently employed GPs in England. Under current policy, this is projected to rise to around 6,700 FTE GPs in 2023/24 – the end of the current parliament. And by 2030/31, it could reach 8,800 FTE GPs"

Extra responsibilities make coverage thinner, do they not?

I would assume that GSM and other posters who are blaming migrants for all the problems of the NHS also object to GPs attending patients in prisons, nursing homes etc, even after their practices have demonstrated that it doesn't affect their routine work. After all, the inhabitants of HMP's include a higher proportion of criminals and liars than do the migrant centres

Very good point Elegran.

Elegran

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

The GP’s surgery in my son’s village provides healthcare for immigrants in a centre in the neighbouring village. They can’t be in two places at once. How many of us get ‘home visits’ nowadays? The immigrants do.

So lets get this straight? I know you love a bit of evidence.

Doctors are visiting immigrants ( whatever that means) and the indiginous population is going without?

There are no additional doctors. The practice covers several villages. Work it out.

Horribly rude but never mind. I suggest a strongly worded email to the Practice Manager. Look forward to an update.

Ask the Practice Manager whether the practice demonstrated that taking up a contract doesn’t affect their routine work. A straight question may get you a straight answer as to exactly what is affecting their routine work.

It’s not my practice. It’s my son’s and his family’s. I have no locus standii.

What a load of nonsense. Ask you son to investigate and give us all an update.
Carpe Fugit.

Is that you Boris?

in cursoriam amphibianus

It is you! 😂

Cossy

Germanshepherdsmum

I have no qualms about legal migrants Cossy, unless of course they disappear within the UK when their visa expires. We need skilled workers, agricultural workers and universities rely on the fees paid by genuine foreign students. I have no problem with labour shortages being addressed through controlled migration because those migrants will contribute to the country.

But to be fair it doesn’t look at the moment as if ANY type of migration is well controlled.

I think, despite our differences, none of here on GN want to see these boats or lorries continue on with their people trafficking, it’s wrong on so many levels.

If I’m honest, I don’t have the answers.

That’s the problem Cossy we want it to end but there are no answers as to how to achieve it.
The threat of Rwanda just may do the trick but it has to be up and running which it isn’t as yet.

I can't see that the threat of Rwanda will have much effect at all. People in France can see that people are dying attempting to cross the Channel. A threat that perhaps they may end up in Rwanda isn't really going to put them off.

Immigrants now in ROI say it is the threat of Rwanda that made them leave the UK to go there.

All I can find googling is that the Irish Government say so.

Oreo

Immigrants now in ROI say it is the threat of Rwanda that made them leave the UK to go there.

So how come there have been articles in the media about the huge increase in asylum seekers in the ROI for at least a year? A year ago, the Rwanda plan looked as though it wouldn't happen and there was an increase in the numbers of asylum seekers in the UK, which suggests that ROI's problems are more to do with the total increase in asylum seekers worldwide rather than being diverted from any other country.

Cath9

I understand those who are running away from wars in their countries but for the rest I would say,
If they want to immigrate, do it the correct way.

But there isn't a correct way for many of them.

growstuff

Cath9

I understand those who are running away from wars in their countries but for the rest I would say,
If they want to immigrate, do it the correct way.

But there isn't a correct way for many of them.

So there isn't a correct way.
End of.

So people will still get in boats and container lorries all over Europe until we do find ways for those affected by war and famine find asylum, and work out ways internationally of tackling smuggling gangs, processing and returning economic migrants who don't meet immigration guidelines (ie people we need to stay and work).

There are no other options. I've just been googling round Europe and the same issues crop up. Giving up isnt an option either.

If you live in many/most countries getting even a visitor visa to the UK is very difficult. You have to get a credible UK resident to sponsor you, either a friend or family, so unless you qualify for one of the skills we need it’s not possible.

Elegran

Casdon

GPS get extra contractual payments for attending group facilities, which includes prisons, nursing homes, and detention centres. The work is optional, and if a practice takes up a contract they have to demonstrate that it doesn’t affect their routine work.

I would assume that GSM and other posters who are blaming migrants for all the problems of the NHS also object to GPs attending patients in prisons, nursing homes etc, even after their practices have demonstrated that it doesn't affect their routine work. After all, the inhabitants of HMP's include a higher proportion of criminals and liars than do the migrant centres.

Yes, and many of the inmates are foreign criminals. Who should have been deported.

Freya I so agree. neatly put.

Freya5

Elegran

Casdon

GPS get extra contractual payments for attending group facilities, which includes prisons, nursing homes, and detention centres. The work is optional, and if a practice takes up a contract they have to demonstrate that it doesn’t affect their routine work.

I would assume that GSM and other posters who are blaming migrants for all the problems of the NHS also object to GPs attending patients in prisons, nursing homes etc, even after their practices have demonstrated that it doesn't affect their routine work. After all, the inhabitants of HMP's include a higher proportion of criminals and liars than do the migrant centres.

Yes, and many of the inmates are foreign criminals. Who should have been deported.

How many?

Give or take 10% of asylum seekers.

I expect to see more demonizing of immigrants by the Tories as the General Election nears. 99% of immigrants are here legally with visas and are doing essential jobs.

A reminder...

Home

no one leaves home unless
home is the mouth of a shark
you only run for the border
when you see the whole city running as well

your neighbors running faster than you
breath bloody in their throats
the boy you went to school with
who kissed you dizzy behind the old tin factory
is holding a gun bigger than his body
you only leave home
when home won't let you stay.

no one leaves home unless home chases you
fire under feet
hot blood in your belly
it's not something you ever thought of doing
until the blade burnt threats into
your neck
and even then you carried the anthem under
your breath
only tearing up your passport in an airport toilets
sobbing as each mouthful of paper
made it clear that you wouldn't be going back.

you have to understand,
that no one puts their children in a boat
unless the water is safer than the land
no one burns their palms
under trains
beneath carriages
no one spends days and nights in the stomach of a truck
feeding on newspaper unless the miles travelled
means something more than journey.
no one crawls under fences
no one wants to be beaten
pitied

no one chooses refugee camps
or strip searches where your
body is left aching
or prison,
because prison is safer
than a city of fire
and one prison guard
in the night
is better than a truckload
of men who look like your father
no one could take it
no one could stomach it
no one skin would be tough enough

the
go home blacks
refugees
dirty immigrants
asylum seekers
sucking our country dry
niggers with their hands out
they smell strange
savage
messed up their country and now they want
to mess ours up
how do the words
the dirty looks
roll off your backs
maybe because the blow is softer
than a limb torn off

or the words are more tender
than fourteen men between
your legs
or the insults are easier
to swallow
than rubble
than bone
than your child body
in pieces.
i want to go home,
but home is the mouth of a shark
home is the barrel of the gun
and no one would leave home
unless home chased you to the shore
unless home told you
to quicken your legs
leave your clothes behind
crawl through the desert
wade through the oceans
drown
save
be hunger
beg
forget pride
your survival is more important

no one leaves home until home is a sweaty voice in your ear
saying-
leave,
run away from me now
i dont know what i've become
but i know that anywhere
is safer than here

-Warsan Shire

I’ve worked with people of many nationalities. Some having been sent her through their work, some looking for a better life, some because their homes and jobs in their country have been taken from them. ALL these people have been hardworking, grateful and decent people. One couple I know each worked 3 part time jobs, so they would not be a drain on our benefit system, until they could find full time employment. They now give back by doing community charity work.