Immigration and migrants

Primrose53

People talk like we should be grateful to all the people from overseas who work in our hospitals. Well we are because most of them are here legally.

At the same time, our hospitals are full of people who are here illegally. I personally know about a dozen people who have had to pay about £15,000 for hip replacements because of the waiting lists.

That is just not true. What is it that these young men are suffering from that means they need hip replacements? A very basic understanding of the NHS is sufficient to understand that doctors specialise.

KATIE59. Well said, I totally agree.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have no qualms about legal migrants Cossy, unless of course they disappear within the UK when their visa expires. We need skilled workers, agricultural workers and universities rely on the fees paid by genuine foreign students. I have no problem with labour shortages being addressed through controlled migration because those migrants will contribute to the country.

But to be fair it doesn’t look at the moment as if ANY type of migration is well controlled.

I think, despite our differences, none of here on GN want to see these boats or lorries continue on with their people trafficking, it’s wrong on so many levels.

If I’m honest, I don’t have the answers.

The GP’s surgery in my son’s village provides healthcare for immigrants in a centre in the neighbouring village. They can’t be in two places at once. How many of us get ‘home visits’ nowadays? The immigrants do.

GPS are not specialists, that’s a different issue. They do however get paid an additional contractual sum for caring for migrants which is work they do over and above their NHS contract. Home visits still happen, for the housebound.

There are huge shortages of staff in the NHS and it's been building up for a long, long time. And we are not training enough more. I'm not going to jump on the "immigrants to blame" wagon since I think we need to resource our NHS properly and put pressure on the government for that as some of us have tried for so long.

Kings fund report 2024.

www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/blogs/staff-shortages-behind-headlines#:~:text=It%20is%20well%20known%20that,enough%20staff%20at%20their%20organisation.

I thought that GPs got paid extra for each patient over a certain age too - is it 80?

It makes not a jot of difference when trying to make an appointment, even a phone appointment.

I didn’t mean to infer that GPs’ lack of availability impacted on utterbliss’s situation. If they have to visit the migrants it means that they are less available to their regular patients. I know that home visits happen for the housebound, but the migrants are not housebound - they are free to come and go.

GPS get extra contractual payments for attending group facilities, which includes prisons, nursing homes, and detention centres. The work is optional, and if a practice takes up a contract they have to demonstrate that it doesn’t affect their routine work.

Callistemon21

I thought that GPs got paid extra for each patient over a certain age too - is it 80?

It makes not a jot of difference when trying to make an appointment, even a phone appointment.

GP lists are weighted so that some categories of patients attract a higher payment in the global sum the practice is paid by the NHS. It’s based on number, sex, age, and chronic conditions.

Casdon

Primrose53

People talk like we should be grateful to all the people from overseas who work in our hospitals. Well we are because most of them are here legally.

At the same time, our hospitals are full of people who are here illegally. I personally know about a dozen people who have had to pay about £15,000 for hip replacements because of the waiting lists.

That is just not true. What is it that these young men are suffering from that means they need hip replacements? A very basic understanding of the NHS is sufficient to understand that doctors specialise.

What’s not true? I didn’t say young men from the boats need hip ops. I said people I know have needed hip ops.

I also know that doctors specialise in several areas of surgery not just hips.

Primrose53

Casdon

Primrose53

People talk like we should be grateful to all the people from overseas who work in our hospitals. Well we are because most of them are here legally.

At the same time, our hospitals are full of people who are here illegally. I personally know about a dozen people who have had to pay about £15,000 for hip replacements because of the waiting lists.

That is just not true. What is it that these young men are suffering from that means they need hip replacements? A very basic understanding of the NHS is sufficient to understand that doctors specialise.

What’s not true? I didn’t say young men from the boats need hip ops. I said people I know have needed hip ops.

I also know that doctors specialise in several areas of surgery not just hips.

But our hospitals are not full of people who are here illegally are they?

There are more than enough who are making calls on the NHS - towards which we pay but they don’t.

GSM. never a truer word said. Why are others so blind to the facts?

Germanshepherdsmum

The GP’s surgery in my son’s village provides healthcare for immigrants in a centre in the neighbouring village. They can’t be in two places at once. How many of us get ‘home visits’ nowadays? The immigrants do.

So lets get this straight? I know you love a bit of evidence.

Doctors are visiting immigrants ( whatever that means) and the indiginous population is going without?

‘Others’ actually have a better understanding of the facts about the impact on the NHS utterbliss. It’s easy to be taken in by the shouting about the migrants, but the impact they have on the operation of the NHS is small, not significant, most of NHS capacity is used by elderly people and the migrants are young fit people.

We just disagree, which is fine in a discussion. But to disagree is not to be blind, it is a matter of opinion given what we perceive to be the truth.

Casdon

‘Others’ actually have a better understanding of the facts about the impact on the NHS utterbliss. It’s easy to be taken in by the shouting about the migrants, but the impact they have on the operation of the NHS is small, not significant, most of NHS capacity is used by elderly people and the migrants are young fit people.

The Kings report that I posted just above above Casdon makes that point very strongly, as well as the huge shortages of staff. Worth a read before "Blame".

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

The GP’s surgery in my son’s village provides healthcare for immigrants in a centre in the neighbouring village. They can’t be in two places at once. How many of us get ‘home visits’ nowadays? The immigrants do.

So lets get this straight? I know you love a bit of evidence.

Doctors are visiting immigrants ( whatever that means) and the indiginous population is going without?

There are no additional doctors. The practice covers several villages. Work it out.

utterbliss

For those of you onhere who informed me that my long NHS hospital wait had nothing to do with the great number of migrants entering the country.

My reply is , if the millions the government has spent supporting migrants had instead been spent on more Doctors and nurses plus hospitals I may not been in the position of waiting 15months to see a Consultant.

Most of the millions spent on asylum seekers came from money allocated to the Overseas Aid budget, it's only since July 2023, when this government made them "illegal" has the money come from home budgets. It would not have been spent in the NHS.

utterbliss

GSM. never a truer word said. Why are others so blind to the facts?

Perhaps they have to experience the consequences, as sadly you are doing. Then their tune might change.

Germanshepherdsmum

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

The GP’s surgery in my son’s village provides healthcare for immigrants in a centre in the neighbouring village. They can’t be in two places at once. How many of us get ‘home visits’ nowadays? The immigrants do.

So lets get this straight? I know you love a bit of evidence.

Doctors are visiting immigrants ( whatever that means) and the indiginous population is going without?

There are no additional doctors. The practice covers several villages. Work it out.

If you know for a fact that is the case, and have evidence that the service to local patients has deteriorated as a result of your GP practice taking on an additional contract you should take it up with the local NHS commissioning organisation Germanshepherdsmum because the GP business will be in breach of their NHS contract.

I wondered if if might come to a statement like that, GSM. You can't know what the other posters on here are experiencing, or family troubles. We are not blind. Shortages of GP's are systemic

The Health foundation:
"In 2021/2022 there was a shortage of around 4,200 full time equivalent (FTE) fully qualified, permanently employed GPs in England. Under current policy, this is projected to rise to around 6,700 FTE GPs in 2023/24 – the end of the current parliament. And by 2030/31, it could reach 8,800 FTE GPs"

I understand those who are running away from wars in their countries but for the rest I would say,
If they want to immigrate, do it the correct way.

Germanshepherdsmum

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

The GP’s surgery in my son’s village provides healthcare for immigrants in a centre in the neighbouring village. They can’t be in two places at once. How many of us get ‘home visits’ nowadays? The immigrants do.

So lets get this straight? I know you love a bit of evidence.

Doctors are visiting immigrants ( whatever that means) and the indiginous population is going without?

There are no additional doctors. The practice covers several villages. Work it out.

Horribly rude but never mind. I suggest a strongly worded email to the Practice Manager. Look forward to an update.