Immigration and migrants

Cossy

Oh dear GSM even when talking to my many Moslem ex-colleagues I’ve never once heard them express the desire to make the UK an Islam based country, in fact many of them have embraced our Christian values and respect them, as I respect theirs.

Your colleagues might not have said that but it is exactly what the hate preachers say and they have many followers.

There are so many different ways of expressing a religion or an opinion and whipping up "Tarring all with the same brush"
I am ashamed to read it on GN.

Cossy

MaizieD

It doesn't scare me, Aveline.

I find conflating praying, a peaceful action, with being 'scared' is a bit hysterical. Are you expecting them all to leap to their feet once the prayer is over and start a massacre of unbelievers?

Clearly she is!

I have a very close friend who has a property in Turkey. I’ve visited many times. I’m woken at 5:00am if I leave my window open as it’s near a beautiful mosque, listening to the gentle, rhythmic chanting. It’s rather wonderful, not at all scary. Last year the pair of us, in our 60’s, undertook a 6 day road trip around parts of Turkey, staying in very small B&Bs and very often way off the beaten track, eating lunch in tiny roadside cafes. No problems or issues or anything to be scared about.

That's Turkey, normal for them.

Primrose53

Cossy

Oh dear GSM even when talking to my many Moslem ex-colleagues I’ve never once heard them express the desire to make the UK an Islam based country, in fact many of them have embraced our Christian values and respect them, as I respect theirs.

Your colleagues might not have said that but it is exactly what the hate preachers say and they have many followers.

Are you fluent in Arabic?

Maisie, I’m sorry but your comments are not factual. You fail to see the problem, no doubt because you don’t live with it. Wish they would wreck all the boats. Patience for most people has been exhausted especially those with hard working children who can't even find a place to rent and if they could, couldn't afford it. There’s a waiting list for homes impossible to fill as it is.
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Your comments are not factual Allsorts. Migrants arriving by boat are not responsible for the current housing shortage, they are not accommodated in private rental properties.

Which of my comments aren't factual, Allsorts?

I actually try to keep away from these threads because they utterly depress me and no-one ever takes any notice of the facts when they are posted.

Where are migrants housed ?

Detention centres and hotels.

Not for life

The thread is about illegal migrants though Anniebach? Legal migrants and people who are granted asylum have been accepted by the UK. For example, those who fled Ukraine are now seeking rented accommodation after the initial family support system ended, but they pay market rent, the same applies whatever route people took to be granted asylum.

Thank you,I really didn’t expect someone to reply ‘detention centres and hotels’

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Are they all convicted criminals?

Germanshepherdsmum

Cossy

MaizieD

It doesn't scare me, Aveline.

I find conflating praying, a peaceful action, with being 'scared' is a bit hysterical. Are you expecting them all to leap to their feet once the prayer is over and start a massacre of unbelievers?

Clearly she is!

I have a very close friend who has a property in Turkey. I’ve visited many times. I’m woken at 5:00am if I leave my window open as it’s near a beautiful mosque, listening to the gentle, rhythmic chanting. It’s rather wonderful, not at all scary. Last year the pair of us, in our 60’s, undertook a 6 day road trip around parts of Turkey, staying in very small B&Bs and very often way off the beaten track, eating lunch in tiny roadside cafes. No problems or issues or anything to be scared about.

The religion of this country is not, as yet Islam. I hope it never will be, but many immigrants would wish it to be. That is totally unacceptable.

Really? Have you had many conversations with immigrants?

Aveline

It's much more complex than just blaming everything on politicians. Also a lot depends on where you live. I suspect that it's pretty scary living in some areas. Did you see the photos last weekend if a whole London street blocked by Muslims men praying? The luckily, aborted, plan to take over the running of schools in Birmingham a few years ago was scary. Demands for prayer room in schools etc. Other ethnic and religious groups don't do this. I think it's understandable that some people are uncomfortable with the sheer number of Muslims moving here.

Goodness me! I wonder what some of the people would do if their daughter married a Muslim?

growstuff

Are they all convicted criminals?

Not all but some had been convicted of murder or attempted murder and at least one is a convicted paedophile.

The High Court ruled on Wednesday that a stateless Rohingya man in detention, who had previously served time in jail for child sex offences, had been unlawfully detained.
ABC News November 2023

growstuff

Aveline

It's much more complex than just blaming everything on politicians. Also a lot depends on where you live. I suspect that it's pretty scary living in some areas. Did you see the photos last weekend if a whole London street blocked by Muslims men praying? The luckily, aborted, plan to take over the running of schools in Birmingham a few years ago was scary. Demands for prayer room in schools etc. Other ethnic and religious groups don't do this. I think it's understandable that some people are uncomfortable with the sheer number of Muslims moving here.

Goodness me! I wonder what some of the people would do if their daughter married a Muslim?

Did your daughter have to convert to Islam growstuff?
A young man we know had to do that before he could marry his Muslim girlfriend.

Does that matter? Why?

Wyllow3

Does that matter? Why?

It matters because it was a requirement.
There was no question of the woman converting to his faith.

Anyway, I wasn't asking you.

The people that live near to these hotels and blocks of flats they are living in tell a different story. They aren't political. It's not false information that they are being given somewhere to live when there are thousands of people born in the country homeless.

Can the uk take in all the folk who live under a corrupt or inept government? I

I`m just hoping that Sunny get`s a proper chance, without the PCs & HRs people & all the other snowflakes that kept sticking their oars in, get`s a plane off the ground & on it`s way to Rawanda. That will really help stop them crossing the channel for the UK. It`s allready working without take off, they are heading for Ireland, even they don`t want them, like the UK the country is over crowded with people allready. I see they are savvy enough not to try & enter Northern Ireland! I hope it really happens, then it will give Barmy, Smarmy Starmer a proper run for his money when the forth coming Election goes live. If people think Labour will get the boat migrants, refugees, asylum seekers, or call them whatever you like, then they will be in for a BIG disappointment! It will be back to the Blairs Reign, the flood gates will be opened up to let anybody in again. Just make sure you get those planes loaded up & of the ground before everyone gangs up on you like ALL the other times Mr Sunak.

If you do it legally it is very difficult. Another reason why they want to jump the queue. What about all those who are more honest and just wait and do it legally? Oh, doesn’t matter, the back door ones get sympathy and help. Something’s rotten in the state of Denmark.

This debate reminds me of ‘luxury beliefs’ defined initially as follows :-

‘A luxury belief is an idea or opinion that confers status on members of the upper class at little cost, while inflicting costs on persons in lower classes. The term is often applied to privileged individuals who are seen as disconnected from the lived experiences of impoverished and marginalized people.‘

Clearly, as with ‘virtue signalling’, the concept has been adopted by the aspiring elite and those who actually would be negatively affected by their beliefs.

Another helpful definition is that of the ‘useful idiot’. These are ‘ a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda.’