Immigration and migrants

There is no shortage of useful idiots that can be manipulated, polititians and the media are using them all the time.

Those that believe biased and bigoted media.

By saying biased and bigoted I assume you mean media that you don't agree with Katie59?

Well said!

Try living in one of the coastal areas where immigrants seem to have taken over - occupying hotels and properties that have become slums. I have a friend who is scared to walk the streets with her dog. Whatever ‘wokish’ ideals you have this isn’t good - perhaps you have a solution???

Aveline

By saying biased and bigoted I assume you mean media that you don't agree with Katie59?

No politians and media that influences the masses. Brexit is a good example, Al Jazeera a Muslim owned media reporting on Gaza, of course it is biased, propaganda has proved to be the only effective weapon Hamas has.

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MillieBoris, I live in a coastal area where ( on a clear day) I can see France. There are a range of opinions on immigration here, not just one.

Please don't attack me or label me as virtue signaling or flouncing.

I will try my hardest not to post any more.

I seriously can not believe what I'm reading and I fear for the future with this level of dischord.

People are people. Its desperately sad.

Lilyflower

This debate reminds me of ‘luxury beliefs’ defined initially as follows :-

‘A luxury belief is an idea or opinion that confers status on members of the upper class at little cost, while inflicting costs on persons in lower classes. The term is often applied to privileged individuals who are seen as disconnected from the lived experiences of impoverished and marginalized people.‘

Clearly, as with ‘virtue signalling’, the concept has been adopted by the aspiring elite and those who actually would be negatively affected by their beliefs.

Another helpful definition is that of the ‘useful idiot’. These are ‘ a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda.’

Now that did make me smile, a good term ‘luxury belief’ and it likely fits a lot of people.You know, the ones who stop criminals on planes from being deported, the ones who say people are people, let them all stay here, the ones who say no borders! The ones who refuse to believe that any foreigner can be bad but their own country is terrible.Luxury beliefs and useful idiots.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

zakouma66

Please don't attack me or label me as virtue signaling or flouncing.

I will try my hardest not to post any more.

I seriously can not believe what I'm reading and I fear for the future with this level of dischord.

People are people. Its desperately sad.

You can’t believe it because you don’t want to. You need to take your rose tinted spectacles off.😉

No need to stop posting zakouma66
Forums need many different views. The world is on the move and it’s a real problem for the West as that’s where people want to move to.Because they want to isn’t a reason to allow it in vast numbers tho.

Usually posters who announce they are going to flounce then don't.

I expect zakouma will resume normal service after a stiff coffee.

Or, what about the ‘useful idiots’ who believe that … the UK is full; that most asylum seekers and immigrants are criminals; that the decline of the NHS has been caused by immigrants; that immigrants are given a council house immediately. These ‘idiots’ are indeed very useful to the government because they perpetuate the narrative that all the country’s problems are the fault of immigrants rather than government ineptitude. NHS waiting lists, lack of GPs = immigrants (not lack of funding). Crime = immigrants (not lack of police). Can’t get a council house = immigrants (not lack of social house building).

Indeed, LizzieDrip.

Thats not to say we, like many countries in Europe, don't have to act much more effectively on smuggling gangs, nor speed up the processing and return of purely economic migrants

zakouma66

Please don't attack me or label me as virtue signaling or flouncing.

I will try my hardest not to post any more.

I seriously can not believe what I'm reading and I fear for the future with this level of dischord.

People are people. Its desperately sad.

You can’t change the world you have to accept you can only influence things close to you, if you are lucky your own family, if not your own life at least.

In the UK we live in a democracy, we may approve or disapprove of any policy but it is the will of the majority and we have to accept that.

We have a wide range of opinion on GN plenty left wing a few right wing, it makes for good discussion, we are all anonymous and can speak or mind without social consequences. Try doing that face to face and there is quickly a fall out, you can’t discuss sex, politics or religion with friends, you can on GN.

Lillyflower, You have summed up the whole point of this thread, very amusing.

I so agree with" LUXURY BELIEFS " + " VIRTUE SIGNALLING " + " USEFUL IDIOTS "
I wonder if people will recognise themselves in these descriptions.

The thing is Lizziedrip that there are those who think along those lines but most people just want a halt to this uncontrolled and illegal migration as we don’t have a clue if they have a criminal record, have MH issues or anything else.We know the country isn’t full up, but migrants can’t live in the fields and woods and eventually need houses/flats to live in ( in an urban area.)
The NHS is already failing us in many ways so they add to that burden.
There are real and serious issues involved when on just one day given calm weather we can take in hundreds of people from small boats.Just one day.Multiply that week on week, month by month, year on year.Those kind of figures are staggering.

utterbliss

Lillyflower, You have summed up the whole point of this thread, very amusing.

I so agree with" LUXURY BELIEFS " + " VIRTUE SIGNALLING " + " USEFUL IDIOTS "
I wonder if people will recognise themselves in these descriptions.

The useful idiots aren’t on the same side of this discussion as the virtue signallers. Enough said.

Spot on, Oreo.

MaggsMcG

The people that live near to these hotels and blocks of flats they are living in tell a different story. They aren't political. It's not false information that they are being given somewhere to live when there are thousands of people born in the country homeless.

Just for balance - I live in a 'naice' leafy area of Cheshire and a hotel not 200 yards from me has been used for the last 12 months to house immigrant families. Neighbours were initially up in arms at the decision, fearing all sorts of dangers. I can honestly say that as far as I know, they have caused absolutely no trouble. On passing the hotel whilst taking my dog for daily walks, the children and their parents are polite, wave and some ask to pet the dog. They are well mannered and respectful. Not all those that arrive here seeking asylum are to be feared.

Thats not to say we, like many countries in Europe, don't have to act much more effectively on smuggling gangs, nor speed up the processing and return of purely economic migrants

Absolutely Willow. Arguably this government has been deliberately slow on these issues in order to maintain the narrative. All the £millions wasted on the Rwanda plan could have been used to address them.

Oreo, your post is succinct, and so true.

Just because this thread is about immigration, read this morning that the one and only person sent to Rwanda so far, with lots of support, has disappeared. Not sure if it was a spoof report.

Curlywhirly

MaggsMcG

The people that live near to these hotels and blocks of flats they are living in tell a different story. They aren't political. It's not false information that they are being given somewhere to live when there are thousands of people born in the country homeless.

Just for balance - I live in a 'naice' leafy area of Cheshire and a hotel not 200 yards from me has been used for the last 12 months to house immigrant families. Neighbours were initially up in arms at the decision, fearing all sorts of dangers. I can honestly say that as far as I know, they have caused absolutely no trouble. On passing the hotel whilst taking my dog for daily walks, the children and their parents are polite, wave and some ask to pet the dog. They are well mannered and respectful. Not all those that arrive here seeking asylum are to be feared.

Immigrant families are not the norm, which is single young men who hang around in groups and can be very intimidating. They are also responsible for a lot of shoplifting in our nearest city.

Well said, MillieBoris and Oreo.
I dare say some of the posters on here don’t live in a town like ours, where they feel as though they don’t belong any more.
I still don’t understand what’s wrong with living in France, or any other European country, instead of risking an unnecessary Channel crossing.