Immigration and migrants

EEJit

Of course they are illegal. They have arrived without the necessary papers to make them legal, no visa, and no passport, some even lying about their ages.

Why should we accept and cater to them when other countries are either blocking them, or they are quickly deported?

They're not "illegal" under international law.

You truly think that, having been found guilty of murder, rape, violent crimes, we should give them the right to appeal to stay growstuff? And even after they've been imprisoned, released and go on to commit even more heinous crimes? I'm appalled. But not surprised.

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s their culture which is the problem Cossy (I think you meant potential rapists, not racists). Most come from countries where women have few rights and we have seen ample evidence of how those who expect to marry a virgin of their own religion (and they will be in short supply) use and abuse white girls.

It doesn’t matter what work might be found for them (and again I say ‘if any’), they will have a lot of free time in which to continue being the nuisance many of them currently are.

Yep! My daughter's in-laws came form countries where women had restricted rights, but they've been in the UK for 40 years and have integrated. They're still Muslims, but were happy to accept my daughter as their son't wife after they'd lived together for seven years. I doubt very much if she was a virgin!

Over 1200 years ago, this is what was written of the Vikings who sacked Lindisfarne, "Heathen men came and miserably destroyed God’s church on Lindisfarne, with plunder and slaughter".

People were terrified and appalled, but despite the atrocity, Christianity survived at Lindisfarne and within less than 200 years the Vikings in Britain converted to Christianity. They integrated and nearly every single person with English ancestry has some Viking DNA. Those "heathens" are part of who we are as individuals and as a society.

That's how the history of populations evolves and there is nothing about our times to suggest we are any different or have somehow managed to stop the way history works.

Some government stats about returns:
www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-september-2023/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned

I don’t think your daughter’s in laws, having lived here for 40 years and having integrated with British society, can reasonably be compared with single young men newly arrived from countries where women have few rights, growstuff. Are we to wait 40 years to see how things pan out for these young men?

Interesting list, PuddyCat.

I wonder who voted for the government which has been so incompetent at dealing with these cases?

Have you studied the link I posted, Maizie? Enforced returns have increased. However, so has asylum seekers’ (or should I say their crooked lawyers’) cunning in finding ways to successfully appeal a refusal of asylum. The more appeals, the more clogged up and slower the Tribunal. For instance, going through a sham baptism, pretending to be gay, pretending to come from a country to which it is not safe for them to return without proof to the contrary - all grounds guaranteed to succeed on appeal, amongst others.

You know full well that I vote Conservative and will continue to do so - and that I am not alone in that on GN.

You know full well that I vote Conservative and will continue to do so - and that I am not alone in that on GN.

It doesn't matter who you vote for and raising the question is a red herring aimed to deflect attention from the main issue. As far as I'm aware Labour, under Keir Starmer, has no more idea what to do with unparalleled immigration than any other party. The only party leader who did have some ideas and suggestions was Farage and we all know what happened to him. I've read growstuff's post about invading Vikings at Lindisfarne and, apart from awarding that poster the award for "The 2024 Whatabout of The Year Award", I'd also like to point out that raping and pillaging settlements to gain control of them has become very unpopular since the International Humanitarian Law treaty was signed in 1864. It would seem to be a regressive step to reintroduce it now.

PuddyCat

The ones that worry me the most are those that have been refused leave to remain, usually because they've committed violent crimes, but then nothing is done to actually remove them from our country. Our governments lethargy puts us all at risk as the incidents below testify.

There was the horrific murder of seven-year-old Emily Jones in Bolton by a failed asylum seeker in March 2020.
In June 2022, there was a brutal triple stabbing in a Reading park by a failed Libyan asylum seeker who the government had granted temporary leave to remain despite having criminal convictions and being in a terrorist group.
There was the murder of 32-year-old Lorraine Cox in Exeter in September 2020 by a failed asylum claimant.
Asylum seeker Badreddin Abadlla Adam – stabbed six people, including a police officer, while on a violent rampage in a hotel in Glasgow in June 2020.
An Afghan asylum seeker – Samiulahaq Akbari – tried to murder a complete stranger in Thornton Heath, London while ‘fuelled’ by a desire to kill English people. He was convicted of attempted murder over the rampage which took place on 8 January 2019, just 12 days after he was released from prison for another assault.
Kuwaiti hit and run driver – Hadi Hamid – who nearly killed two teenagers in Middlesbrough in October 2017 after ploughing into them with his car (and leaving them with life-changing injuries) was allowed to stay in the UK – even though his refugee status was revoked. Hamid was sentenced to four years behind bars in February 2018 and was ordered to be deported, yet he was released from prison in October 2019 and remains in the UK.
Rachid Redouane – one of the perpetrators of the June 2017 London Bridge attacks, in which 11 people were killed and 48 injured (21 critically) – was a Moroccan-born failed asylum seeker. After having his 2009 claim for asylum rejected, he remained here before going on to live in Ireland three years later. He then returned and (alongside two others) committed the attack.
Officials missed six chances to kick illegal immigrant Hani Khalaf out of Britain before he murdered a carer. The 22-year-old Egyptian bludgeoned Jairo Medina, 62, to death in London’s Hyde Park in August 2016 for his mobile phone and a few pounds. Khalaf was free to live in the UK despite falsely claiming to be a Syrian refugee when he arrived in Kent two years earlier hidden in a lorry. The career criminal had previously been arrested at least six times for theft and fraud, but was released rather than deported as he repeatedly lied about his identity.
Shahin Darvish-Narenjbon, a failed asylum seeker who killed his 87-year-old "surrogate grandmother" who had offered him a place to study and live.
Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai who had already murdered 2 people in Serbia, was subsequently refused asylum in Norway but came to the UK the same month and was given leave to remain. He went on to murder his 3rd victim, Thomas Roberts, in Bournemouth shortly after.
Moroccan asylum seeker Ahmed Alid, 45, stabbed 70-year-old Terence Carney multiple times in Hartlepool in October 2023.
Emad Al Swealmeen was refused asylum but nothing was done to remove him from the UK. His bomb device exploded in a taxi outside Liverpool Women's Hospital on 14 November 2021 fortunately only killing himself and not his intended targets.

There have been too many of these incidents and every time it happens, it becomes apparent that signs and indicators have been overlooked or ignored.

In this instance I actually agree you 100%.

Over 1200 years ago, this is what was written of the Vikings who sacked Lindisfarne, "Heathen men came and miserably destroyed God’s church on Lindisfarne, with plunder and slaughter".

People were terrified and appalled, but despite the atrocity, Christianity survived at Lindisfarne and within less than 200 years the Vikings in Britain converted to Christianity. They integrated and nearly every single person with English ancestry has some Viking DNA. Those "heathens" are part of who we are as individuals and as a society.

That's how the history of populations evolves and there is nothing about our times to suggest we are any different or have somehow managed to stop the way history works.

Interesting comparisons.

I think most of us do know the history of our Isles and that the Vikings arrived and struck terror here.
However, they embraced Christianity along with their own Norse gods and customs and integrated into society here.

Do you think that Muslims arriving in Western Europe will abandon Islam in favour of Christianity and similarly integrate?
Some of those I know have, some having arrived as invited refugees and others through normal channels. However, the numbers now are unprecedented.

GSM I agree with everything you have posted. Their culture is so different to our own, our country us already changing and I feel very concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren.

BevSec

GSM I agree with everything you have posted. Their culture is so different to our own, our country us already changing and I feel very concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren.

How would you describe "our own" culture?

And who are "they" in your post?

BevSec

GSM I agree with everything you have posted. Their culture is so different to our own, our country us already changing and I feel very concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren.

British "culture" has changed in our lifetime and it's nothing to do with immigration. It's what happens. Individual and collective ideas and values change. Culture is not pickled in aspic, no matter how much some people would like time to stand still.

Incidentally BevSec how many of them do you really know? I bet you be shocked to find out that they have feelings and very similar aspirations to anybody else. You'd possibly also be surprised to find out that many people with pure British ancestry don't share your idea of culture.

In the UK women are free to live their lives as they wish. They are entitled to respect. That is the culture which is alien to so many of the immigrants. I don’t know why I had to spell that out.

GSM you must be aware of rates of domestic and other violence against women within our very own home grown culture by men.

"That is the culture which is alien to so many of the immigrants".

There are of course known examples but to then generalise out - its tarring with same brush tactics. How do you know? How many refugees have you actually engaged with?

I completely agree with you GSM. I have spoken to a man who has worked closely with the immigrants and he said they put their own comfort ahead of their wives and children. People say they should respect our culture, but who is going to force them to do this? Our culture is very alien to them, I have seen this in Marrakesh.

I couldn't agree more.

growstuff

EEJit

Of course they are illegal. They have arrived without the necessary papers to make them legal, no visa, and no passport, some even lying about their ages.

Why should we accept and cater to them when other countries are either blocking them, or they are quickly deported?

They're not "illegal" under international law.

The illegal migration bill became law in July 2023.

Wyllow3

GSM you must be aware of rates of domestic and other violence against women within our very own home grown culture by men.

"That is the culture which is alien to so many of the immigrants".

There are of course known examples but to then generalise out - its tarring with same brush tactics. How do you know? How many refugees have you actually engaged with?

Guess immigrants don't abuse their women then. That's a lie.

I've worked with immigrants and some don't treat me with respect as I'm female. Some have refused to speak to me, they assume I'm wrong. Not all are like this.

Why are we becoming so ashamed of being what we were born ? I am proud of my Welsh and English heritage and I am Bert proud to be an Australia . Nothing whatsoever to do with colour, religion or anything else. We have a great way of life, we are tolerant and respectful of others. I am sick to death of being told we are white oppressors, worse than anyone else. Having travelled a lot and lived in a few different places I can tell you we are definitely not what the ‘woke’ think. I just wish some of these people would try living in some of the Asian or African countries for a time . Especially China - we are white dogs, routinely.

BevSec

I completely agree with you GSM. I have spoken to a man who has worked closely with the immigrants and he said they put their own comfort ahead of their wives and children. People say they should respect our culture, but who is going to force them to do this? Our culture is very alien to them, I have seen this in Marrakesh.

One country I have travelled to is India, the way women are treated is appalling, women labouring on building sites carrying baskets of rubble on their heads, women reaping roads living in tents on the roadside with children playing in the gutter alongside them.
The whole culture is so bad women have to have separate carriages on the trains.

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