Immigration and migrants

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

Cossy

I have to comment on a new thread about some of the comments on here relating to immigrants, entering either via illegal means or via correct channels.

Those entering our country illegally, for whatever reason, make up just 1% of our overall population.

Often, but not always, they've made arduous physically and emotionally demanding journeys just to reach Europe. Often, but not always, their second language is English and sometimes they have links to the UK.

1% of our population!

Yet so much time is given to portraying them in the media as men pretending to be boys, criminals, exploiters, scroungers etc etc etc

Perhaps before swallowing all the "bad" stories about immigrants portrayed in our media, encouraged by our govt., you should, a) remember these people are human beings, b) we are here safe and sound only due to an accident of birth.

If you must "blame" someone for this situation, blame the corrupt govts from which many of these people come, blame the traffickers, blame our inept govt.

We could (not saying we should!) have housed every single asylum seeker in the last two years using the money our govt has so freely given to France and Rwanda.

Think and research before you negatively comment about immigrants.

Agree with your views on the issue which has been occuring in many countries on the Mediterranean as well.

"If you must blame someone for this situation, blame the corrupt governments from which many of these people come, blame the traffickers, blame the inept governments worldwide"

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

All of them?

All of them are coming from France, a safe country (but apparently not such a soft touch as we are when it comes to granting asylum).

Primrose53

711 illegal immigrants arrived on boats yesterday. If the good weather continues it will be running into 1,000s every day.
This just cannot continue!

Yes 711 on 14 boats, I think some of the French police are getting big brown envelopes from the smugglers to wave them off.

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

100% agree 👏👏

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

Callistemon21 once on the boat and starting to leave another smuggling gang showed up (with another load of people -from Sudan I think) - and forced them in a rush to push onto the same boat. I understood this lot should have been on a different boat - but may have misunderstood that bit?

The father had no control over that aspect.
He is also a victim in this you know.

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

I simply cannot see how it can get much worse. This govt has had almost 14 years to sort this out, and despite Brexit both legally arriving migrants and asylum seekers have grown year on year.

At least give labour a chance!

Cossy

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

And further afield too.

The government's plan was to make it illegal then send to Rwanda.

It didnt work, more came in than before.

The narrative has got more and more immigrant hating from the government. Blame ills on them.

People have a right to claim asylum.

Germanshepherdsmum

All of them are coming from France, a safe country (but apparently not such a soft touch as we are when it comes to granting asylum).

No, they're not. Some manage to get flights and arrive by plane. Others overstay legal visas.

France receives more asylum applications than the UK. Moreover, they tend to be people from different countries - those with a historical link with France - who have less valid reasons than those seeking asylum in the UK.

In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

All of them are coming from France, a safe country (but apparently not such a soft touch as we are when it comes to granting asylum).

No, they're not. Some manage to get flights and arrive by plane. Others overstay legal visas.

France receives more asylum applications than the UK. Moreover, they tend to be people from different countries - those with a historical link with France - who have less valid reasons than those seeking asylum in the UK.

In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed.

This s why only a pan European approach with very good police resourcing - not to mention more shadow services working undercover - has any chance of success, along with faster processing.

"In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed." this means relationships with these countries could deteriorate - no gain for anyone.

Thank you, GSM for taking the time to read my point accurately.

I wonder if some of the people who are so welcoming to illegal migrants would feel the same if they had like me been on a NHS waiting list since February 2023.

Im sorry you’re waiting for an operation, but those people you refer to know that the length of time you’ve been on an NHS waiting list is down to lack of government funding for the NHS utterbliss, not down to an influx of an additional small percentage of young fit men to the UK. The two issues don’t conflate.

I am on a waiting list too utterbliss but it's not the fault of asylum seekers!

I'm fortunate however that I can wait and that my operation will be life-enhancing rather than an emergency one.

utterbliss

Thank you, GSM for taking the time to read my point accurately.

I wonder if some of the people who are so welcoming to illegal migrants would feel the same if they had like me been on a NHS waiting list since February 2023.

I don't see why not. I doubt very much whether the number of immigrants (especially those you deem "illegal") affects how long you have to wait for an operation.

Wyllow3

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

All of them are coming from France, a safe country (but apparently not such a soft touch as we are when it comes to granting asylum).

No, they're not. Some manage to get flights and arrive by plane. Others overstay legal visas.

France receives more asylum applications than the UK. Moreover, they tend to be people from different countries - those with a historical link with France - who have less valid reasons than those seeking asylum in the UK.

In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed.

This s why only a pan European approach with very good police resourcing - not to mention more shadow services working undercover - has any chance of success, along with faster processing.

"In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed." this means relationships with these countries could deteriorate - no gain for anyone.

Of course that's needed. Unfortunately, funding for those kind of activities has been just about halved since 2010.

I have a great idea utterbliss. Let's ban anyone who wasn't born in the UK from working in the NHS - that's sure to bring down the waiting times for ops (or maybe not ).

Cossy

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

I simply cannot see how it can get much worse. This govt has had almost 14 years to sort this out, and despite Brexit both legally arriving migrants and asylum seekers have grown year on year.

At least give labour a chance!

Give Labour a chance?🤣🤣🤣. You lot want them all here witness protests in London today.

Give Labour a chance? You must be joking.

This government has had almost 14 years to sort this out - for how long have we had the current problem?

Cossy

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

Not sure at all about that.
Those that were eventually refused asylum may still take their chances and head for the rubber dinghies and try their luck again once here, maybe with a different story to tell.

Maybe they would tell a story along the lines of, " I'm an orthopedic surgeon from Syria"

Oreo

Cossy

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

Not sure at all about that.
Those that were eventually refused asylum may still take their chances and head for the rubber dinghies and try their luck again once here, maybe with a different story to tell.

Try re-reading what I actually wrote. Then think about the percentage of applications that are currently granted (65%) and do some maths.

MaizieD

Oreo

Cossy

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

Not sure at all about that.
Those that were eventually refused asylum may still take their chances and head for the rubber dinghies and try their luck again once here, maybe with a different story to tell.

Try re-reading what I actually wrote. Then think about the percentage of applications that are currently granted (65%) and do some maths.

Granted here but refused in other EU countries. No wonder we are seen as soft touch.