The 7th rebrand in 18 months - is this one any better?

Yes, GG, it’s entirely predictable.

because some cannot afford to send their children/grandchildren to private/public school, nobody should

Please tell me where, on this thread, this assertion has been made.

LizzieDrip

^because some cannot afford to send their children/grandchildren to private/public school, nobody should^

Please tell me where, on this thread, this assertion has been made.

We’ve moved into fantasy land I think, nobody said that. I really don’t get why we should feel sorry for parents who have budgeted inadequately for their child to go through private school while at the same time saying that children whose parents can’t afford to pay for it shouldn’t be able to get their teeth straightened on the NHS.

The Labour Party has wanted to get rid of independent schools for years. They talked the other day of not being the old LP. It’s still alive and well.

They need to take more notice of what the British public want rather than what their donors want.

I think that, at the moment, the British public want a government that isn't mired in sleaze and corruption.

We absolutely know that every single party will have a corrupt or sleazy individual or two in ts ranks, but the tory party over the past few years has had far more than any reasonable person could expect in a governing party.

The British people, in polling, by elections and local elections have made it absolutely crystal clear that they don't want the current government to continue in power.

What is wrong with sending your child to the state school? They will stand a better chance of getting in to Oxford / Cambridge, they will get a sound education and learn how to get on with a good variety of people. They should grow up without feeling entitled. Parents need to play their part.., however .
Just because a school is private it does not mean it is better than the state school down the road.

Lizzie Drip
You said ‘Let them go to state schools like everybody else’. Everybody in a state school=no private/public schools.

Ha, ha!

There is nothing wrong with sending your child to a state school. I was educated in state schools, so was my son. However if you want to give your child a private education (and there are certainly advantages when it comes to some of the professions), then it is wrong of any government to suddenly make that unaffordable by pushing the fees up 20% with the consequence that the child has to be withdrawn from their school. What was Angela Rayner repeating endlessly last week? ‘We’ve got your back’. I don’t think so.

However if you want to give your child a private education (and there are certainly advantages when it comes to some of the professions),

Oh, really? And what professions would those be?

Really you are expecting us to feel sorry for people who you think won't be able to afford to buy advantage for their children. Well, I don't think you'll find many takers for that... The concept of buying privilege is somewhat abhorrent to a great many people. Especially when they consider some of the 'privileged'....

LizzieDrip

Pot and kettle come to mind GSM!

😂😂😂😂😂

Germanshepherdsmum

There is nothing wrong with sending your child to a state school. I was educated in state schools, so was my son. However if you want to give your child a private education (and there are certainly advantages when it comes to some of the professions), then it is wrong of any government to suddenly make that unaffordable by pushing the fees up 20% with the consequence that the child has to be withdrawn from their school. What was Angela Rayner repeating endlessly last week? ‘We’ve got your back’. I don’t think so.

Angela Rayner has the back of the 92%, and should they opt to go to state school instead, also of the 8%.

Germanshepherdsmum

If I were to say what I think about the six point plan I would be banned. Are people really that gullible?

I feel the same.

westendgirl

What is wrong with sending your child to the state school? They will stand a better chance of getting in to Oxford / Cambridge, they will get a sound education and learn how to get on with a good variety of people. They should grow up without feeling entitled. Parents need to play their part.., however .
Just because a school is private it does not mean it is better than the state school down the road.

Absolutely!! I have experience of both at Primary level, better education no, smaller classes yes, more opportunities definitely, better teachers and teaching, very much varied. The school my eldest child attended was a proper prep school, most kids went into boarding school, mainly minor public schools, a few like my son went to our excellent local grammar.

Both my god children attended minor public schools. Did it make a difference to their chosen profession? Absolutely not, one trained to be a children’s nurse, the other attended Oxford Brooks, a former Poly, to study hospitality and catering, my own son also did law there, no advantages to either god children.

I still support “choice”, if you choose and can afford private education, private tutors, private healthcare, that is your choice, just be prepared to pay the full wack! Absolutely no reason for independent schools to have “charitable” status any more, they are a business! Even state school academy trusts are now run like businesses.

I don't see why rich people should access ( possibly) better education. And poorer people be left with the dregs. Teachers bringing in food, clothes ,even washing children.

All this talk of choice. There is no real choice for many. Sink schools or stay at home.

Germanshepherdsmum

They may have been doing it for some time. The child may be coming up to A levels next year. That’s not being dumb, it’s being able to afford something today the price of which shoots up by 20% tomorrow. Being unable to find an extra 20% is far from having a small margin of financial flexibility.

I agree, I have no axe to grind and have four children who went to a variety of schools in both sectors.
Imagine being half way through either GCSE's or A-levels and having to change schools and possibly exam boards. Or having been studying for the IB which I doubt you can take at a state school?
As you've said, there's nothing wrong with using state schools, but if people have spent everything they can afford to use a private school, for whatever reason, it is not fair to suddenly up the cost by 20%. People using private schools SAVE the government money by not taking up state school places.

The representation of State Schools here is very negative from some. Many have excellent results.

People using private schools SAVE the government money by not taking up state school places.

Interesting idea. Like people using private health care are saving money and infact being terribly kind?

People who ride bikes or walk or use buses are actually thinking of the environment and being super helpful?

All the arguments on this thread (and the many other threads we've had on state v private schools) are completely pointless. We have every indication that the next government will be a Labour one and I don't think the votes of the relatively few people who might no longer be able to afford to pay for their children's schooling will do anything to change that.

I'm afraid they will just have to live with it, as many of us have had to live with a Brexit we didn't want and the last 14 years of incompetent tory government.

\Perhaps they might devote their energy to fighting for better funding for state schools....

they will just have to live with it - simply because private education doesn’t fit Labour’s ideology.

Germanshepherdsmum

^they will just have to live with it ^ - simply because private education doesn’t fit Labour’s ideology.

What sort of argument is that? Brexit and the tories don't fit my ideology, but I have to live with it because that is, apparently, what the 'majority' in our democracy wanted.

Labour are not proposing to abolish private education, just to tax the businesses that run it. People will still be able to buy it if they can afford it. Isn't that what market capitalism all about?

I can't say I'm weeping buckets for people who want to buy their children privilege rather than have them earn it like the rest of the population has to.

I was a teacher and worked in state schools, comprehensive and grammar, also in the last 10 years of my career a very well endowed independent school. 2 of my own 4 children went to that independent school, one child to a state comp, one to a state grammar. The independent school offered way more in terms of extras- drama, music, sport, arts , school trips etc. I obviously benefitted from the privilege, but it galls me that the state doesn’t offer the same opportunities to the 90% of children who are educated by the state. The vast majority of the parents at the independent school were wealthy and a few £k on the fees wouldn’t be a burden. Some kids turned up in chauffeured cars and I remember one parent landing a helicopter on the school field to take his child off for a birthday treat. The school owned loads of properties and they said even if no one paid fees they’d still be worth a fortune. There were a few bursaries and scholarships, but no one could pretend they were a charity for the poor( which was the original purpose of the school some 500 years ago) btw , the child who did best in terms of academic success was the one who went to the state grammar.

Much of the profit made by the independent sector is sent overseas. They are vastly wealthy and an eon away from what is traditionally seen as the charity sector.

westendgirl

What is wrong with sending your child to the state school? They will stand a better chance of getting in to Oxford / Cambridge, they will get a sound education and learn how to get on with a good variety of people. They should grow up without feeling entitled. Parents need to play their part.., however .
Just because a school is private it does not mean it is better than the state school down the road.

You know what? I think that quite often it is.