Labour. Our next Government.

GSM you paint a very over-simplified picture when you say those who can work should work. Who decides whether they can work or not? I have a friend who is a judge, dealing with benefit claims and she has told me accounts that really distress me, about the attitude of some of her colleagues, and the medical people that work alongside her, who are most definitely biased against claimants and work to dismiss any claim they can. The idea that the system can be trusted to be fair is, in my opinion, without foundation. I have clients who fear their PIP will be taken away, even though they most certainly need it. People should not have to live in fear. Yes, there have been challenges for this government - there always are, but the fact is that pretty much everything is in decline around us. It's a complicated picture, but I, for one, believe things could have been done better. I have to say that any party that could let Liz Truss come to power is highly questionable - for goodness sake. I was brought up to vote Tory, but I now think for myself and I do not think any political party is worth undying loyalty - to me that makes no sense at all. Will Labour do better? Sadly they may well not, but it's time for someone else to have a chance - surely!

Thought it was exactly that I am politically homeless. As I won’t vote Labour while Rayner , Thornberry , Lammy and Starmer are involved and I don’t trust sunak after reading the plot by Nadine dorries is snything to go by , I hsve fact checked it and no one has refuted the words in it , it seems that Cummings and Gove are behind dirty tricks . So for me I don’t know what to do

Neither of those issues are relevant to whether we need a change of government or not. Immigration is at a record high with the Tories in power, look at the levels when Labour left power.
Look at figure 2 on this graph.
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/

The latter can be achieved far more quickly than the former - and having been involved in the creation of a very large new settlement - you wouldn’t call it a town - I can tell you it takes decades. As with so many things, Labour rely on the electorate being ill-informed, and from what I read on GN they’re not far wrong.

Germanshepherdsmum

The latter can be achieved far more quickly than the former - and having been involved in the creation of a very large new settlement - you wouldn’t call it a town - I can tell you it takes decades. As with so many things, Labour rely on the electorate being ill-informed, and from what I read on GN they’re not far wrong.

Oh boy. When you’re cornered, kick.

Not at all. I know the reality of creating a new settlement. I spent years on one - and it wouldn’t be what Labour calls a new town. I very much doubt that anyone here has that particular experience. So many will think it’s a good idea without having any idea of what’s involved and how long it takes before a sod is turned,

There’s no excuse you can come up with for being so insulting about other Gransnetters Germanshepherdsmum, it’s unforgivable.
If you had bothered to read what Labour have actually said about new towns, nobody is saying that magic wands will be waved, are they?

Urmstongran

Labour will be in charge very soon. Do the people of this country want more new towns like Milton Keynes? Or do they want a huge reduction in immigration?

Our current govt has had 14 years to reduce immigration, both arriving legally and by illegal means have increased under this govt.

Please show me in the Starmer/Labour manifesto where it states they intend to “open the floodgates” and let even more people in?

I’ve seen lots and lots of building across large parts of Essex, where I live, over the last few years. How many new schools? None. New hospitals? None. New roads? None. How many affordable housing? A big fat zero! Lots of luxury flats, some in one of our smaller seafront towns up for almost £1m, a few luxury housing estates. Even a retirement village just in early stages, but nothing for first time buyers!

Germanshepherdsmum

Not at all. I know the reality of creating a new settlement. I spent years on one - and it wouldn’t be what Labour calls a new town. I very much doubt that anyone here has that particular experience. So many will think it’s a good idea without having any idea of what’s involved and how long it takes before a sod is turned,

Not sure anyone here actually believes it’ll be quick or easy, or even come to full fruition, but we do need entire new towns, with good services and a solid infrastructure.

Although we may not be as knowledgeable as you in this particular area, many, if not all of us, do have knowledge, skills and experience in many other areas and sometimes you do tend to “poo poo” all of our comments.

Surely even you can see some of the damage your precious govt has done? Austerity was nothing to do with our cost of living crisis, Tories implemented it almost immediately they came into power, long before energy prices rose, or Covid or Brexit.

Saying that others on GN are unlikely to have had experience of creation of a new settlement isn’t insulting, Casdon. If anyone else here has experience of being involved in such a project they are welcome to say so, but from professional experience I would say it’s highly unlikely. Planning? Land acquisition? Infrastructure including roads, drainage, railway station, buses, schools, doctors, shops? And in the case of a new town, far more. This is something which takes a very long time and a very great deal of private and public sector expenditure, to come to fruition. Labour takes the electorate for fools, and in the case of those who vote for them they’re not far wrong.

Cossy, when the Conservatives came into power we had the financial crisis. Have we already forgotten that?

GSM Honestly?

“Labour takes the electorate for fools, and in the case of those who vote for them they’re not far wrong.”

Is it really necessary to be quite this cutting in all your responses?

Some of us probably feel very much that the converse could apply to Tories and their avid supporters.

This is the bit of your post that’s insulting Germanshepherdsmum, if you need it spelling out.

‘Labour rely on the electorate being ill-informed, and from what I read on GN they’re not far wrong.’

Can you not see how sweepingly rude and unnecessary that is, and it was repeated again in your last post. There is just no need for it. People don’t all agree with you or allow you to ride roughshod over their views, that does not mean they are ill informed, or fools.

Germanshepherdsmum

*Cossy*, when the Conservatives came into power we had the financial crisis. Have we already forgotten that?

Possibly GSM but austerity didn’t appear to “cure” it.

the sooner the better! I am horrified by the actions of this gov't and whatever sort of gov't Labour do will be better than this lot. Labour started the NHS so I have every confidence they'll fix it and ditto for our other welfare services that I've had to use in my time and want to support for others.
I think Labour are deliberately vague or else the right wing press will trash all their ideas.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not at all. I know the reality of creating a new settlement. I spent years on one - and it wouldn’t be what Labour calls a new town. I very much doubt that anyone here has that particular experience. So many will think it’s a good idea without having any idea of what’s involved and how long it takes before a sod is turned,

Its bizarre really, some people seem to know about absolutely everything. The list is endless.

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

Not at all. I know the reality of creating a new settlement. I spent years on one - and it wouldn’t be what Labour calls a new town. I very much doubt that anyone here has that particular experience. So many will think it’s a good idea without having any idea of what’s involved and how long it takes before a sod is turned,

Its bizarre really, some people seem to know about absolutely everything. The list is endless.

😄

Germanshepherdsmum

The latter can be achieved far more quickly than the former - and having been involved in the creation of a very large new settlement - you wouldn’t call it a town - I can tell you it takes decades. As with so many things, Labour rely on the electorate being ill-informed, and from what I read on GN they’re not far wrong.

How rude.

It’s bizarre really, some people seem to know about absolutely everything. The list is endless.

😂😂😂😂 Teehee

I am a proud Labour supporter and voter.I’m not ill-informed.

It’s going to be VERY interesting being under a Labour government. They’ll have inherited a right mess. It’s certainly not going to be easy. Bluddy hell where to start?

I’m still unsure the likes of Lammy, Dawn Butler, Jonathan Aitken are clever enough to be on the top table - either looking after us or representing us abroad.

I hope Labour do well. I really do. It’s going to happen anyway. It’s just that I have this niggling feeling ….

Casdon

This is the bit of your post that’s insulting Germanshepherdsmum, if you need it spelling out.

‘Labour rely on the electorate being ill-informed, and from what I read on GN they’re not far wrong.’

Can you not see how sweepingly rude and unnecessary that is, and it was repeated again in your last post. There is just no need for it. People don’t all agree with you or allow you to ride roughshod over their views, that does not mean they are ill informed, or fools.

It’s interesting that open debate on gransnet seems to happen much less often than on the dark side. Mumsnet posters are robust and imo usually well informed. Insult hurling seems less frequent tho it happens strongly.
How anyone can defend this useless inept government is beyond me. Furlough yes overall useful but no magic bullet just something other governments did. Ppe parties etc etc simply awful
Starmer may not be perfection, I do understand some want stronger left leaning commitments. He’s a decent man, he has integrity I’m certain the country will be better with him as PM than any of the pm’s in 14 years

Trurider1

REALLY, People ar egoing to vote for a party owned by the Communits and full of Muslims?

I see this post as pathetic - is it racist? I expect so, or should I say islamophobic -
It’s also inaccurate -LP not owned by communists
Many Muslims leaving the party because of Palestine

Can you not see how sweepingly rude and unnecessary that is, and it was repeated again in your last post. There is just no need for it. People don’t all agree with you or allow you to ride roughshod over their views, that does not mean they are ill informed, or fools.

Thank you Casdon. Well said!

Cossy

Germanshepherdsmum

Cossy, when the Conservatives came into power we had the financial crisis. Have we already forgotten that?

Possibly GSM but austerity didn’t appear to “cure” it.

A global financial crisis caused by the poorly regulated financial markets bundling up the junk loans given out with gay abandon by mortgage lenders, regardless of whether or not the recipients could repay the loans, and selling them on as an investment product, I recall.

It was the Labour government that acted promptly to prevent banks becoming bankrupt, thus ensuring that bank depositers accounts didn't become worthless. The UK was actually showing signs of recovery when the tories came to power, implemented their utterly senseless 'austerity' plan and threw the UK into recession.

The financial industry never paid any penalty for their gross irresponsibility.