Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s a figure I found by googling. It seems low to me as well but that’s what I found.

I have always thought the top 3-5% of earners as the multi millionaires/billionaires.

Here in the S E you would struggle to get a mortgage on anything other than a rabbit hutch on a single gross salary of £80,000.

You said it! It's extremely difficult for "average" workers to get a mortgage, which is why so many people rely on joint mortgages (with both people in a couple working) and inheriting money.

Germanshepherdsmum

Well, Cossy, you know how I managed to earn a lot more than £80k and it wasn’t easy. I had zero quality of life. The people you mention, with the exception of junior doctors (though they will become consultants or GPs), will fare much better than I ever did in the work-life balance stakes. If people prefer easier hours, less stress and don’t want to burn the midnight oil that’s their choice.

I’ve said before I absolutely admire your passion in work and employment and you were clearly driven and ambitious and did very well financially… However, and I know it’s their choice, but there’s not room for every nurse to be a matron, every teacher to be a head and everyone one else to be a CEO. Some people absolutely work their b******s off and still are unable to make the kind of income you did. Not because they don’t work very hard, not because they’re stupid or not ambitious, but because not everyone has this opportunity. It’s not always the hardest workers who work the longest hours.

With respect, I think we will have to agree to disagree as you appear to believe 95% (those not in the 5% earning in excess of £80,000pa) don’t work hard enough and have easier work lives and no work related pressure or stress.

Rosie51

That remark is uncalled for Greyisnotmycolour! You don't have to agree with GSM but nasty personal remarks are unnecessary.

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To help you decide

Very helpful WWM thanks. ☺️

Greyisnotmycolour

Well GSM it was your choice to put greed above anything else.

Greed? How insulting. I was a legal secretary, earning very little in the public sector. I turned down a place at university because I was engaged to be married. Less than two weeks into my marriage I discovered my husband was not the man he had pretended to be. He was abusive and not a reliable earner. I had made the wrong choice as regards education and marriage. I could do nothing about the marriage as I took my vows seriously, but I could, with years of hard work, further educate myself and have a career. So that’s what I did. My husband was happy for me to burn the midnight oil studying - he said when I qualified I could retire. Unfortunately he meant every word. I didn’t have my son until a few years after I qualified. Greed didn’t enter into it because I worked first in the public sector and then in private practice close to home until after my parents had died and my son, once he graduated, made his life in London. (The public sector and provincial law firms don’t pay a lot.). It was only then that I was able to move to a far better paid partnership with a City firm - I had been approached by that firm when my son was a toddler. Had I been greedy, I would have accepted their offer then wouldn’t I? I have no regrets about considering my son and my parents above my income and professional satisfaction, but it disappoints me greatly to be described as greedy. Perhaps you would like to reflect on the facts rather than your unfounded perception.

Thanks, WWM2. Much of the negative workforce, cost of living stats are heavily influenced by Brexit. I can't understand why Labour won't stop side-stepping the disaster of Brexit.

I agree, winterwhite. Brexit has been and still is the elephant in the room. I guess it's because it's just too painful.

Greyisnotmycolour

Well GSM it was your choice to put greed above anything else.

Unpleasant. GSM was trying to improve her circumstances. As we all should.

Thank you. As I know you did.

Germanshepherdsmum

Cossy

I think it’s pretty obvious that any taxes, direct or otherwise, are going to be levelled at are wealthiest citizens, whether one feels this is fair or not, it’s the whole basis of socialism. It’s Labour’s version of “levelling up” and they’ve never made a secret of this.

I’m still waiting though for the benefits of austerity and Brexit and the results and outcome of “levelling up”, or did I blink and miss it all

I wonder what you (and Labour) class as ‘wealthy’?

Well obviously its us pensioners.
Rachel Reeves , in her lack of wisdom, has got on her Team a certain Sir Edward Troupe, supposedly to help tackle tax avoidance. He's previously called for sweeping tax changes, that codger pensioners should face higher taxes, be stripped of free TV licences, well the beeb obviously listened to him, and did just that,while continuing to fund Lineker and the like to the tune of millions in pay. He called us an "undertaxed generation who have had it ridiculously good". "We should be looking at the codgers" were his words. Bet he didn't earn 40 quid a month, half taken out for rent. Despicable man, that's the trouble with Labour, the politics of envy. So be careful what you wish for.

14:41Casdon

Yes and look how that turned out. I don't do homework (I have got a life) I just post what I think and feel. I personally think Blair is pulling Starmer's strings but Blair did have charisma whereas Starmer is like a cardboard cutout.

Freya5

The LP isn’t the party of envy, nor are their supporters! Personally I’m filled with admiration for people who make great careers against all the odds, without the advantage of a public school education and a leg-up from the “old boys network” You insult all socialist who support equality, equal chances in life. What one then chooses to do with that equal chance is an entirely different story. There will always be those who work hard and those who don’t and they exist within all political persuasions, as does envy!

You are not, I think, what I perceive to be a typical Labour voter Cossy. I hold my hands up to not really knowing anyone who votes Labour. Maybe the delivery drivers and the ladies who serve me in local shops are dyed in the wool Labour supporters but it’s not exactly what you discuss in passing. My perception comes from what I read on GN (the only social media I use) and from ‘ordinary’ people I see interviewed on tv. Those interviewed seem to have a fraction of your intelligence.

Germanshepherdsmum

You are not, I think, what I perceive to be a typical Labour voter Cossy. I hold my hands up to not really knowing anyone who votes Labour. Maybe the delivery drivers and the ladies who serve me in local shops are dyed in the wool Labour supporters but it’s not exactly what you discuss in passing. My perception comes from what I read on GN (the only social media I use) and from ‘ordinary’ people I see interviewed on tv. Those interviewed seem to have a fraction of your intelligence.

I don’t really know what to make of that to be honest. Do you mean that the riffraff that vote Labour are generally a bit dim? And are always working class?

Freya5

Germanshepherdsmum

Cossy

I think it’s pretty obvious that any taxes, direct or otherwise, are going to be levelled at are wealthiest citizens, whether one feels this is fair or not, it’s the whole basis of socialism. It’s Labour’s version of “levelling up” and they’ve never made a secret of this.

I’m still waiting though for the benefits of austerity and Brexit and the results and outcome of “levelling up”, or did I blink and miss it all

I wonder what you (and Labour) class as ‘wealthy’?

Well obviously its us pensioners.
Rachel Reeves , in her lack of wisdom, has got on her Team a certain Sir Edward Troupe, supposedly to help tackle tax avoidance. He's previously called for sweeping tax changes, that codger pensioners should face higher taxes, be stripped of free TV licences, well the beeb obviously listened to him, and did just that,while continuing to fund Lineker and the like to the tune of millions in pay. He called us an "undertaxed generation who have had it ridiculously good". "We should be looking at the codgers" were his words. Bet he didn't earn 40 quid a month, half taken out for rent. Despicable man, that's the trouble with Labour, the politics of envy. So be careful what you wish for.

Sir Edward Troup was at one time Ken Clarke's special advisor, when he was the Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Rachel Reeves has possibly been very astute in appointing him. Maybe she's setting a thief to catch a thief. He probably knows more than most about tax avoidance.

Germanshepherdsmum

You are not, I think, what I perceive to be a typical Labour voter Cossy. I hold my hands up to not really knowing anyone who votes Labour. Maybe the delivery drivers and the ladies who serve me in local shops are dyed in the wool Labour supporters but it’s not exactly what you discuss in passing. My perception comes from what I read on GN (the only social media I use) and from ‘ordinary’ people I see interviewed on tv. Those interviewed seem to have a fraction of your intelligence.

My flabber is gasted!

Sometimes you are so way off on your analysis of what’s happening with the voting public Germanshepherdsmum that I think you must live in a little protected Tory bubble.
Here’s the analysis from the 2019 election when of course the Tories did very well. Yet still, middle class Labour and Lib Dem voters together were greater than Tory voters, and 30% voted Labour. The biggest party vote determinant was age, across all social groups.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50543903

I credited you with being better than that last post of yours GSM.

Tax avoidance isn’t a problem, growstuff, it’s tax evasion which needs to be cracked down on. Tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate and can only be dealt with by legislation.

Nicenanny3

14:41Casdon

Yes and look how that turned out. I don't do homework (I have got a life) I just post what I think and feel. I personally think Blair is pulling Starmer's strings but Blair did have charisma whereas Starmer is like a cardboard cutout.

We all have our opinions, that’s what the site is for Nicenanny3. Just don’t post things about other parties that can be checked and proved to be blatant lies, and pass them off as fact!

Germanshepherdsmum

Tax avoidance isn’t a problem, growstuff, it’s tax evasion which needs to be cracked down on. Tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate and can only be dealt with by legislation.

Did I say it was a problem? I don't think so! Stop reading something which isn't there.

All I did was highlight somebody's CV.

Just a suggestion but you might consider extending your acquaintance /friendship group a little wider GSM.
You might be surprised to find intelligent and sometimes even ‘professional’ people ‘ who actually vote Labour,

Well, now we all know! Labour voters don't work hard, are envious and thick. Anybody going to own up to that personal profile?

Trouble with tax avoidance most of us are on PAYE and have no option to either avoid or evade as tax is removed before we get our sticky hands our money.
A Tory friend was shocked to find she had to pay tax on her pension and savings. I had to explain.