Rayner cleared.

Actually GSM I do not think the crime IS the same! Someone strapped for cash fiddling a small amount to me is nothing like a powerful individual swindling millions, meaning that the vulnerable suffer.

undines

Actually GSM I do not think the crime IS the same! Someone strapped for cash fiddling a small amount to me is nothing like a powerful individual swindling millions, meaning that the vulnerable suffer.

No, you’re right, in any “crime” there are degrees of culpability.

There may be mitigating factors but not degrees of culpability, the crime is still the same. ‘Fiddling’ is embezzlement , as is ‘swindling’. You might use different words but you can’t change the law.

Wyllow3

Of course we have to talk about Foreign Affairs. Our trading and financial futures, our political relationships with other countries - we don't exist in a separate bubble away from the rest of the world!

Some people still have the “Empire” and “Commonwealth” mentality.

zakouma66

*I cannot vote for those full of spite, envy and greed*

Oh no! That narrows it down to Monster Raving Loonies then?

😂😂😂😂😂

Germanshepherdsmum

There may be mitigating factors but not degrees of culpability, the crime is still the same. ‘Fiddling’ is embezzlement , as is ‘swindling’. You might use different words but you can’t change the law.

Well, yes. But taking crime to extremes, a long abused wife killing her husband is generally viewed and sentenced, differently to a random killer.

Common sense.🤷‍♀️

Actually GSM I do not think the crime IS the same! Someone strapped for cash fiddling a small amount to me is nothing like a powerful individual swindling millions, meaning that the vulnerable suffer.

Theft is theft and everything stolen belongs to someone else, whether an individual or a corporation, who then has to make up the loss.

The confusion about Rayner's exact principal residence came because her second and third sons were born in 2007 and 2008 and registered at the council house she was purchasing in 2007, and presumably inhabiting. She married their father Mark Rayner, in 2010 and re-registered them at his house to legitimise them. It was assumed that became her principal residence.
Those living in glass houses are foolish to throw stones.

Wrongly assumed.

DiamondLily

Germanshepherdsmum

There may be mitigating factors but not degrees of culpability, the crime is still the same. ‘Fiddling’ is embezzlement , as is ‘swindling’. You might use different words but you can’t change the law.

Well, yes. But taking crime to extremes, a long abused wife killing her husband is generally viewed and sentenced, differently to a random killer.

Common sense.🤷‍♀️

That’s what I mean about mitigation, it’s the same crime but mitigation may lessen the sentence.

I wonder if anyone here who was robbed at knifepoint would think it somehow a lesser crime if the perpetrator was poor?

A crime is a crime.
It's like saying someone is a little bit pregnant.

The details are what's important, surely?

I'd feel much more kindly towards someone who was in a desperate situation than I would some greedy git.

To be honest, I wouldn’t feel too happy to be robbed, at knifepoint, by anyone.

I’ve been poor, but I’ve never robbed anyone.

But, I can’t get as excited about an allegation of low rent fraud as I do about the already-rich just sticking their trouts further in the trough.

Snouts?
Sorry, I'm not a corrector.
Iy made me smile though.

Those greedy trout , always on the make.

Slippery customers.

There's some cod awful rumours about.

Maremia

Wasn't it the tightening up of tax avoidance/evasion protocols that really prompted BEXIT?

Exactly. The EU was bringing in stricter rules as the UK left (31/01/2020)

Germanshepherdsmum

If they are both parenting the child, yes I do. They should be instilling values into the child. The values instilled into this young man are highly questionable.

There are students to augment their income by being sex workers - up market of course.

Nothing is proven about Rayners son!!!!

Some people on only fans just do videos of their feet
Apparently

I used to know someone whose nails were quite "admired".

Still flogging a dead horse I see.😄😄

My niece’s daughter is on Only Fans and apparently is paid to show her feet which didn’t seem all that interesting to me last time I saw her…🤔

Many of you complain about social media and the effect that it has on your children. I assume that this includes the "influencers" some of whom earn large sums. And what about the people in Love Island and the pop stars who pose scantily clad? These images can and do cause a lot of harm to young people because they would like their lives to be like that shown.

It is difficult some times to avoid such images because they sometimes shown on MSM.

To my mind the above is more harmful than a porn site which would mainly be watched by adults.

The only porn scene I can remember seeing was in Last Tango in Paris with a stick of butter.

The information on what porn is doing yo young people is fairly horrific.
Can you tell I loathe porn!