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Labour to get back to an 18 week waiting list within the first term

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 29-May-24 08:19:28

Labour are responding to the country’s fears, that the NHS will be degraded even more if the Tories return to power, to such an extent that it becomes like the dental service.

It is an extremely demanding target, but the health professionals have agreed it is doable.

Streeting - the shadow health minister, has said that as someone whose life was saved by the NHS, owes everything to the NHS.

growstuff Tue 04-Jun-24 23:31:11

Mollygo

Growstuff
Whatever.

What's that supposed to mean? It's true any dietician would tell you the same.

growstuff Tue 04-Jun-24 23:33:06

M0nica

growstuff
The trouble is that juiced fruit is just sugar in water (with a few vitamins). I've just looked up the nutrition for Cawston Press Rhubarb and Apple, which contains 9.7g of carbs per 100ml, which to me is unacceptably high. Standard supermarket pure apple juice is 10.5g per 100ml, so the difference is minimal.

But I like the Cawston drinks, I do not like ordinary supermarket apple juice. Anyway when one is talking about products one consumes only occasionally, detailed arguments over less than 1 gramme of carbohydrate per 100ml, is very much like counting the angeles dancing on the head of a pin.

If someone was quaffing litres a day, then it would be different.

Fair enough! All I was pointing out is that it contains about the same amount of sugar as any supermarket fruit juice. If people want to avoid sugar (carbs), it should be avoided.

growstuff Tue 04-Jun-24 23:41:17

A small glass (200ml) of rhubarb and apple juice has 19.4g of sugar, which is a lot for something which is essentially empty calories.

I aim to eat no more than 70g of carbs a day. I prefer to eat more nutritious carbs.

Mollygo Wed 05-Jun-24 09:41:00

growstuff

Mollygo
Growstuff
Whatever.
What's that supposed to mean?

Whatever is what I hear people say when they think someone is labouring a point which wasn’t part of the discussion.
^ It's true any dietician would tell you the same.^
Any dietician would tell you that something eaten or drunk occasionally is unlikely to cause much harm unless it contra-indicates with medication.
I prefer to drink something containing no added sugar or sweeteners or eat fruit with no added sugars or sweeteners or even drink pure fruit juice with no added sugars or sweeteners occasionally, rather than occasionally drink all the things that do have added sugars, artificial flavourings and the sweeteners which I find leave an unpleasant taste.

M0nica Wed 05-Jun-24 15:41:25

growstuff I have never said anything about avoiding sugar. My complaint was about arificial sweeteners now being present and affecting the flavour of most soft drnks following the sugar tax.

You need to remember that because you subscribe to a particular eating style is not a good reason to castigating those who eat differently to you. There are lots of different eating patterns advocating lots, of carbohydrates, low levels of carbo hydrates, this eating pattern that eating pattern and plenty of articles to dis any of them.

Personally I subscribe to the belief that there is no such thing as an unhealthy food - and that includes sugar - only unhealthy eatng patterns and provided you have a sensible and balanced eating pattern focussed on fruit and veg, drinks with sugar in them, jam doughnuts, cream cakes, sweets and chocolate can all form part of your eating pattern, provided they are not eaten in excess.

Desdemona Wed 19-Jun-24 19:00:25

Is Labour planning to tax the state pension?

Grantanow Fri 21-Jun-24 18:04:48

For many of us it's already taxed.