Donald Trump a convicted felon

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Wyllow3

forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/

According to a soon-to-be-published book, Blowback: A Warning to Save Democracy From the Next Trump, the former president “regularly made lewd comments about his daughter Ivanka and fantasized about what it would be like to have sex with her.”

According to The New Republic, “’Aides said he talked about Ivanka Trump’s breasts, her backside and what it might be like to have sex with her, remarks that once led [former Chief of Staff] John Kelly to remind the president that Ivanka was his daughter,’ Taylor, who served as a Department of Homeland Security chief of staff under Trump, wrote in his book.”

Just as we can’t take at face value anything about Biden and his daughter, we can’t simply believe something similar about DT written by men with an agenda, just because we dislike him intensely.

Just as we can’t take at face value anything about Biden and his daughter, we can’t simply believe something similar about DT written by men with an agenda, just because we dislike him intensely.

This is true.

We need factual information that can be verified.

That link would not open for me - it didn't support Internet Explorer - fair enough, so I tried the recommended "Edge" and got the same message!

an alternative link (covers same ground, but in greater detail)

www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/trumps-lewd-talk-about-daughter-ivanka-in-front-of-white-house-staff-recalled-in-new-book/

Wyllow3

an alternative link (covers same ground, but in greater detail)

www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/trumps-lewd-talk-about-daughter-ivanka-in-front-of-white-house-staff-recalled-in-new-book/

Well, it does make disturbing reading.

It must all be in the public domain. Even if all of it is true, I doubt it will make one iota of difference to those who are convinced he's going to save America, male or female.

He did once say that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters. Though FACT CHECK has stressed that, although this "clumsy and crass" comment was actually made by Trump, it also generally appeared absent of its broader context, which pertained to the loyalty of his followers, and not an actual desire, intent, or interest in shooting any individuals for the sole reason that he believed it would have no effect on his popularity.

The loyalty of his followers is the pertinent point. So whether he's grabbing pussy-cats, making lewd comments about his daughter or other women- one might just as well not bother to highlight them because it will not deter his supporters. Who will insist it's all politically motivated, so therefore, can be ignored.

He's going to make America Great Again.

Out last night with friends who have close relatives living in the US. Relatives are very anxious about this election and genuinely concerned about a possible civil war. There are more guns in the US than people, it is an extremely dangerous mix with such polarised politics and someone like Trump in the running. He's been publicly humiliated by this trial and I think he will want revenge. Thinking about it, tbh it makes me rather worried too for the general stability of the world we live in, the US is very important in keeping some sort of power balance.

I’m not very good with links and had a bad fall yesterday and have really pulled my back so bear with me if I don’t respond for a while.
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Is there nobody normal to run for president? Trump - well, no explanations needed there - and Biden who seems mentally unwell plus what’s with the hair sniffing, which I have seen for myself on film clips so it can’t be blamed on negative press.?

And not only “normal” but 20 years younger. There must be someone!

Fair enough Tickingbird I had not seen this, the previous Snopes did not verify it. I don't know if anything "inappropriate" happened and clearly neither does Ashley say it did. Just an observation though, people's attitudes to nudity are very different and we encourage fathers to care for their children. My husband did a lot of the intimate looking after of our daughter when she was little, it never occurred to us for one second that there was anything inappropriate about him changing nappies, helping with toileting, having her clamber into bed with us in the morning and seeing us get dressed. I don't think he ever had a shower with her but if he had it wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest. I suppose it's all about your views on these things and what you think is inappropriate. I do remember her having a friend to stay when she was about 6, she wanted to climb into our bed in the morning with friend but we said no. Not because anything inappropriate would have happened but because we though it was inappropriate for a child of 6 who was not our daughter to be in our bed.

Looked up, why Democrats have chosen Biden.

Longish article but worth reading.
blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2024/03/25/the-2024-elections-why-the-democrats-are-stuck-with-joe-biden/#:~:text=The%20current%20process%20favors%20those,any%20serious%20competition%20this%20year.

foxie48

I agree re fathers changing nappies etc, even bathing with young daughters. Showering seems different somehow as the nakedness is displayed so prominently.

I have no idea if Biden behaved inappropriately with his daughter and make no assumptions. I do, however, find his filmed behaviour with children creepy. One incident involved a young girl he was grabbing and holding quite tightly and she looked extremely uncomfortable and quite distressed by it.

Why the people close to him allow him to carry on doing this I don’t know. It may be entirely innocent and he’s lacking awareness but it makes me uncomfortable.

My point, however, is the acceptance of such behaviour. If this was Trump there would be uproar. As I said upthread I’m no Trump supporter but the egregious bias and willingness to attack one man and turn a blind eye to another annoys me.

foxie48 A few times when staying with friends their children have wanted to get into bed with us in the morning. This was back in the 70s. Being child free we weren't used to children coming into bed, plus we slept naked and we said no. It's quite possible that us saying no could have caused the children a few problems in later life! Who knows?

It will be interesting if and when Trump is returned as President how the rest of the world would come to terms with it. A few different alliances I think. Maybe start learning Russian ! The Democrats have played into his hands, of course and it is not a good look for them.

He is vowing revenge, retaliation and retribution against his enemies.

He even suggested (according to the Guardian yesterday) that the FBI and justice department should take action against senators, judges, members of Biden’s family and even non-governmental organisations.

This is a man who once said that Hitler "did some very good things", calls his opponents vermin and says that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

And some of his more 'ardent' supporters are calling for hangings, executions and civil war. It was in a reliable news outlet, I haven't researched it, but I'm sure it would not be that difficult to validate if anyone cares to research it.

Some of those Proud Boys and Patriots or whatever they call themselves are very hot-headed.

If Trump does not win the Presidency, he is not going to accept that he lost. It will be a 'deep-state' plot against him. I dread to think what might follow.