Sunak V Starmer

Mollygo

And the plethora of labels?

I take it this is a reference to neurodivergent children. I imagined terms like this had been abandoned by anyone in education years ago.
Identifying those children who are different is not labelling them. It's recognising their differences and hopefully adapting teaching to meet their needs.

The plethora of labels is simply a way of describing the different barriers to learning.

Gloriannny is correct in my experience, schools in areas with high deprivation had excellent processes to support children. Schools in les challenging areas often lacked good pastoral care and were quick to exclude.
‘Plethora of labels’ - a diagnosis can help schools support children who were at risk of/already labelled disruptive

That was certainly my experience. COG of small rural school in an authority that was amongst the lowest funded per pupil, few children with PP and old buildings that required a lot of maintenance. Budget was always at the wire and a failure to recruit the 20 per year (mixed year classes) really hit us not helped by fact year 6 classroom was only big enough to take 20 children. It was a good school and generally popular with parents. A school has to have a very strong case for not taking a SEN child and we found we became increasingly popular with parents who were disatisfied with their children's current school and because of the cut off point for funding we often found we were taking a child with considerable needs without any funding. Did this affect the education of other children? Yes, sometimes it most definitely did and it certainly put a lot of extra pressure on the teaching staff because they were good teachers and wanted to do the best they could for all the children in their class. We never excluded a child but came close on one occasion with a child who really struggled in a mainstream environment and who could become violent.

Mollygo

The plethora of labels is simply a way of describing the different barriers to learning.

People learn in different ways. There are no barriers only different routes. Diagnosis helps understanding of how the child learns and what adaptations need to be made. It is not and never should be described as a label.

Labels/diagnoses whatever you like to call them, identify conditions that are barriers to learning and help less experienced staff to deal with those. More experienced teachers know how to help children without labels, but should continue to update their skills as new diagnoses/labels or new techniques appear.
An increasing number of parents are happier when their child has a label that they can use to understand their child’s problems or explain their child’s difficulties to others.
Many adults are also seeking a diagnosis for the same reason. E.g. you read posts from adults, even on GN happy to at last be able to explain that their ASC has been diagnosed and explains the problems they have lived with.

Mollygo

Labels/diagnoses whatever you like to call them, identify conditions that are barriers to learning and help less experienced staff to deal with those. More experienced teachers know how to help children without labels, but should continue to update their skills as new diagnoses/labels or new techniques appear.
An increasing number of parents are happier when their child has a label that they can use to understand their child’s problems or explain their child’s difficulties to others.
Many adults are also seeking a diagnosis for the same reason. E.g. you read posts from adults, even on GN happy to at last be able to explain that their ASC has been diagnosed and explains the problems they have lived with.

These are not labels they are diagnosis.
The concept of a label is derogatory and is not helpful. It shows a lack of knowledge about disability rights, discrimination and difference.
Things have labels, children do not.

Glorianny, 🤣🤣🤣 say what you like. It doesn’t make you right. The files on my computer class spread sheets have labels for the appropriate children like ASC, Dys, HP, PM, 121 etc. It’s not discriminatory it’s just practical.
Your post shows a lack of up to date knowledge about how labels help.

Mollygo

Glorianny, 🤣🤣🤣 say what you like. It doesn’t make you right. The files on my computer class spread sheets have labels for the appropriate children like ASC, Dys, HP, PM, 121 etc. It’s not discriminatory it’s just practical.
Your post shows a lack of up to date knowledge about how labels help.

Your labels are for the spread sheet not for the children.

My labels are for the children but I don’t refer to them that way, like you might.