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They do look like old coach-built prams!
The leather strap suspension is the same

One important difference is that horse drawn carriages have a 'fifth wheel' that enables the forecarriage to turn independently of the rear wheels. This so-called fifth wheel is horizontally placed on a sort of peg through the middle of it . The driver sits above the fifth and stays put while the fifth wheel moves the front of the chassis independently.

Articulated lorries have the same principle so they bend when turning. Prams are so light in weight they don't need the extra engineering and you see pram pushers sort of lifting one end of the pram when it has to be turned abruptly so it swivels on its back wheels.

www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/kings-birthday-flypast-2024/

Some great photos here!

I too draw the line at Andrew, but not his daughters. None of us can help our parents and they always seem lovely girls, live quietly, getting on so h their lives without causing any particular fuss. I can't see that seeing them on the balcony would cause any fuss?

We watched the highlights which went on for an hour and a half or there abouts.. Long enough for me to keep worrying about how long the King had his arm up saluting. I don’t know how he did it. After all he is no spring chicken and my shoulder began to ache for him. Everyone did so well and it was great to see the Princess of Wales with the children, Louis enjoying even though he was seen yawning a little. Then their attempts at clearing the misted up windows in the carriage as they returned to the palace in the rain.

Parsley3 I'm sure it is the same hospice. ☺️ I thought King Charles had planned to slim down the Royal Family? The smaller amount of people on the balcony, I assumed, was part of that. I can't say that I missed the rest. It's not a wedding nor a christening where you would expect more family members. It was a state occasion and therefore, I think, he was making a point

Jaberwok crowds cheer those on the balcony, why cheer the
York family, nothing to do with their father , Christmas Day we had Fergie racing around trying to gather flowers

The coaches are built like coach built prams. The engineering principles are exactly the same.

Grandmabatty

Parsley3 I'm sure it is the same hospice. ☺️ I thought King Charles had planned to slim down the Royal Family? The smaller amount of people on the balcony, I assumed, was part of that. I can't say that I missed the rest. It's not a wedding nor a christening where you would expect more family members. It was a state occasion and therefore, I think, he was making a point

It was the one state occasion where the Queen would welcome working and non working royals and their families. The birthday parade is a celebration! There would often be guests who had made a contribution to life that the Queen admired and remember little Leonora Knatchbull who was a much loved member of the Mountbatten family and died of kidney cancer at the age of only five?

I used to love trying to identify everyone and often having to resort to the pictorial who’s who guide.

The king has the rest of the year to slim everything down.

I thoroughly enjoyed it all especially the bands . I thought the king looked very emotional almost in tears. It’s endearing to see him so proud of all the soldiers parading before him. Long live the monarchy! I think no one took the king and queens ages into account or his illness. There should have been some form of shelter at the end in case the rain came on. I would have been cross if these were my relatives.

How often in a year are there balcony scenes ?

Oh goodness merlotgran, I remember little Leanora Knatchbull too. Poor little girl, she wore a hat as she had lost her hair and looked very pale and ill. Bad enough for an adult, but when it's a child.... Why would you not cheer the York girls, Lady Louise, the Duchess of Gloucester or any other loyal member of the family? As for Fergie, the King has welcomed her back into the family fold, the late Queen was very fond of her and they've taken on the late Queens dogs! If she's good enough for the King, then she's ok with me.

Only person who has spoken of a relationship between The Late Queen and Fergie is Fergie. How are the York girls loyal?
Lady Louise’s home is with her parents.

I really don’t find anything Loyal about Fergie. American chat
shows, British chat shows , a fee ?

She’s loyal to Andrew, isn’t she?

She has said he is a wonderful, caring man

Fergie hasn’t dished any dirt on the royals despite Prince Philip’s harsh treatment of her.

RosiesMaw

Bea65

Am watching and feel for everyone in the parade with all this b…..y rain … thought some of the carriages looked like big old prams of yester year🤔
Looking forward to seeing the whole family and Kate and children in a carriage

There’s a clue in the description of those wonderful traditional Silver Cross prams
“Carriage or coach built”

M0nica Sun 16-Jun-24 11:55:20
The coaches are built like coach built prams. The engineering principles are exactly the same

As I believe I said upthread!
That’s why they were described as “Coach/carriage built”..

merlotgran Sun 16-Jun-24 12:57:01
Fergie hasn’t dished any dirt on the royals despite Prince Philip’s harsh treatment of her.

I truly don’t understand why Prince Phillip is accused of harsh
treatment, a daughter in law is spending a holiday with you and the family, at breakfast the news breaks of daughter in law on holiday , she is lying topless on a sunbed with her lover sucking
her toes.

If her husband could subsequently forgive her, why couldn’t her father in law?

Yes Fergie made many mistakes with inappropriate behaviour but they were many many years ago, Princess Margaret was also not exactly discreet, with her numerous affairs causing much embarrassment. For a long time now Fergie has kept a pretty low profile, she has to her credit, she has never trashed the RF, never written any peepshow books, interviews she's given have never ever accused the RF of henius behaviour , in fact she has always been pretty restrained. Prince Philip was hard on her, and very unforgiving, he wasn't always perfect in the early days! The late Queen latterly was fond of Fergie, the King certainly doesn't bear her any ill will.

Ditto her brother-in-law the King! G.s.m! There aren't many of us who live completely unblemished lives that can't be forgiven. Treachery on an industrial public scale however is another matter.

Fergie’s biggest mistake was not realising that she had no privacy and would be castigated by people who don’t know her.

I have no idea why Prince Philip couldn’t Fergie as her husband has! But that’s his choice. I can forgive many people many things, but there are one or two things that have happened in my life and no matter how I try. I can’t forgive that person. In my case, it’s usually because the thing that they had done has affected tremendously people I love and care for. Sometimes the consequences of one action can have a ripple effect that is catastrophic. Perhaps as far as Prince Philip is concerned, he feels that whatever Fergie did had a catastrophic effect on the future of his son Andrew. Perhaps he feels that had he stayed married to Fergie and his life would’ve been very different from the way it is turned out to be

I don’t like cash for stories, Fergie has given interviews on the family why ?
When did the late Queen speak of her , of her fondness of her?
Possibly the Queen accepted Fergie moving in with Andrew because it’s what he wanted , I don’t know .

Who else has constantly given so many interviews. ?, surely any
relationship with the late Queen is above ‘Loose Women’

She had debts and needed money. I have never heard of her speaking ill of the RF despite Prince Philip’s treatment of her, and the King has welcomed her back into the fold now that his parents have died. That speaks volumes.

Pythagorus, You're right, there's probably more to the antagonism of PP than we know about. On the face of it, it did seem a bit tough to isolate Fergie for so many years, especially at Christmas, when her then children had to go to the house in the morning, then after lunch go to to Wood Farm where their mother was staying, for the afternoon!! Luckily and sensibly, that has now stopped. Poor woman has now been afflicted with Cancer. Hopefully she is recovering after treatment and I for one, wish her well.