Keir starmer

Wyllow3

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree - but imagine the outcry from the human rights lobby.

Why would there be an outcry? Locally such work is encouraged/supervised by the refugee charities.

I doubt there would be an outcry. I'm quite keen on the idea of human rights being observed () and I can't see how they'd be violated by allowing people to work. Quite the reverse, really.

Many asylum seekers will have skills that could be put to good use locally, or there will be roles within the asylum-seeking community, such as teaching English to those who can't do it already. Depending on where the centres are there might be work such as fruit picking that employers struggle to find people to do since Brexit, and they could do that sort of thing, too.

It would help them to earn some money to keep their self-respect, give them a sense of purpose and stop there being groups of people 'hanging about'.

Mollygo

LizzieDrip

Give me a bunch of teenagers over Chelsea Pensioners any day

Yep! I’d find a bunch of teenagers far more intimidating than a bunch of Chelsea Pensioners.

Sadly you're right. A bunch of teenagers viciously beat up a woman (52) who was asleep on the grass near a beauty spot. Our country is becoming a very dangerous place.

LizzieDrip

Give me a bunch of teenagers over Chelsea Pensioners any day

Yep! I’d find a bunch of teenagers far more intimidating than a bunch of Chelsea Pensioners.

Give me a bunch of teenagers over Chelsea Pensioners any day

I might make an exception for Chelsea Pensioners however!

Ooh, I wouldn't tangle with them, they're a formidable lot 😂

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree - but imagine the outcry from the human rights lobby.

Why would there be an outcry? Locally such work is encouraged/supervised by the refugee charities.

I agree - but imagine the outcry from the human rights lobby.

There is plenty of litter picking to be done and help in clearing up illegal waste dumps. Strong young men are necessary for such work.

Doodledog

Wouldn't it make sense to give people something to do so they don't have to 'hang around'?

Not allowing people to work and then moaning when they 'hang around' seems contradictory. I'm not suggesting chain gangs, but surely there could be work programmes for asylum seekers that would allow them to use their skills to contribute to British society while they wait for their claims to be processed? That would make it easier for those who are accepted to start working straight away, and would occupy them during the day.

Yes 👍

LizzieDrip

^I would prefer that they were detained until their asylum applications were determined, by which time hopefully those with criminal backgrounds would have been weeded out and refused asylum^

You’re in luck then GSM because, under a Labour government, asylum claims will be processed swiftly - unlike the Tories who haven’t been processing claims, in order to make the asylum seeker issue appear worse than it is.

You use highly emotive language when referring to asylum seekers e.g. gangs; intimidating. Why isn’t a ‘gang’ of male tourists ‘intimidating’ to women?

Actually Lizzie, women do find gangs of men intimidating. I would be wary of a gang of young white British men wandering the streets.

I realise that GSM and I have very different view points and politics (which is something of an understatement) but the fact remains that I personally would generally steer clear of a gang of males whether they be tourists, immigrants, football fans or anything else.

I might make an exception for Chelsea Pensioners however!

Doodledog

Wouldn't it make sense to give people something to do so they don't have to 'hang around'?

Not allowing people to work and then moaning when they 'hang around' seems contradictory. I'm not suggesting chain gangs, but surely there could be work programmes for asylum seekers that would allow them to use their skills to contribute to British society while they wait for their claims to be processed? That would make it easier for those who are accepted to start working straight away, and would occupy them during the day.

Yes it would help.
You know how long days are when there is nothing to do and nowhere to go.

We need work programs to develop young people’s skills, and not just for asylum seekers.

Wouldn't it make sense to give people something to do so they don't have to 'hang around'?

Not allowing people to work and then moaning when they 'hang around' seems contradictory. I'm not suggesting chain gangs, but surely there could be work programmes for asylum seekers that would allow them to use their skills to contribute to British society while they wait for their claims to be processed? That would make it easier for those who are accepted to start working straight away, and would occupy them during the day.

If you aren't permitted to work or ( in some cases volunteer) I suppose you would " hang around" possibly? Go for a walk with your friends maybe?

LizzieDrip
under a Labour government, asylum claims will be processed swiftly

Hurray. I’ll be watching to see that happen.

GSM
You use highly emotive language when referring to asylum seekers e.g. gangs; intimidating. Why isn’t a ‘gang’ of male tourists ‘intimidating’ to women?

Did I miss where GSM put that a gang of male tourists isn’t intimidating to women?
A gang of any males is intimidating, likewise a gang of females or a gang of TRA, but the topic of conversation was gangs of asylum seekers, and most of those who do “hang round” are male.

Fortunately Labour is going to swiftly sort that out.

I think groups of young men are very often intimidating, no matter who they are, but especially if they are foreigners with nothing to do. My 14 year old daughter was approached by groups of young Kosovans the moment they arrived in town back in the 90s. It had never happened before.

I would prefer that they were detained until their asylum applications were determined, by which time hopefully those with criminal backgrounds would have been weeded out and refused asylum

You’re in luck then GSM because, under a Labour government, asylum claims will be processed swiftly - unlike the Tories who haven’t been processing claims, in order to make the asylum seeker issue appear worse than it is.

You use highly emotive language when referring to asylum seekers e.g. gangs; intimidating. Why isn’t a ‘gang’ of male tourists ‘intimidating’ to women?

Use your imagination Lizzie.

I would prefer that they were detained until their asylum applications were determined, by which time hopefully those with criminal backgrounds would have been weeded out and refused asylum. Gangs of young men roaming around are intimidated, especially to women.

GSM could you explain to me what the asylum seekers are doing wrong when they’re ’wandering about’?

Isn’t ‘wandering about’ exactly what tourists do? You seem happy enough with their wandering

I am perplexed by this " free to wander " thing. What would you have them do?

Things change, life changes, communities change.

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I have not called you a liar growstuff. Nor have I asked where you live or said that you know no more than a tourist. All that is a nasty twisting of words. As I have said, my son lives in the next village where, before the asylum centre came along, property was much in demand and sold quickly. I lived just five miles up the road for over twenty years before moving to Norfolk. My grandparents lived near the air base when it was still in use. So I have very much more local knowledge than you might think. When the base became redundant it was expected that it would be redeveloped with housing. Then along came the asylum seekers and it has totally blighted my son’s village other than for tourism. When they go - if they ever do - a prison will probably be built but the immediate problem is the impact of the asylum seekers who are free to wander around at will - as you must know. And from what Rayner says that will likely be the fate of many communities around the UK. It’s not what you expect in a pretty little English village, said to be the most photographed in the country.

Watching ch 4 news - on Reform - what a foul mouthed, ignorant, lot they are. I would be embarrassed to share a room with them in the pubs they like to frequent let alone vote for such creatures.

Anyone voting for such a mob are either in denial or similar in character - I can’t think of any other reasons why on earth you would do so.

growstuff

BevSec

Zakouma66 i am not intending to defend myself, i know how I feel, I am entitled to feel worried about a large influx of young muslim men, i have a friend who is a teacher ie educated. She said women in this country will lose our freedoms. People are desperately worried and I do not understand why you cannot respect this.

One person's views (even if she is educated) doesn't make something true.

I think BevSec was unintentionally ironic here, given what Reform’s views about women appear to be - very close indeed to the views of repressive cultures.

BevSec

Zakouma66 i am not intending to defend myself, i know how I feel, I am entitled to feel worried about a large influx of young muslim men, i have a friend who is a teacher ie educated. She said women in this country will lose our freedoms. People are desperately worried and I do not understand why you cannot respect this.

One person's views (even if she is educated) doesn't make something true.