Trans women have a cervix according to David Lammy.

I've already explained what acceptance means to me VS.

I just have. No men in womens spaces. Women not having to fight legally to ensure this is the case.

Smileless2012

I've already explained what acceptance means to me VS.

Sorry please quote it because I don't see it

Galaxy

I just have. No men in womens spaces. Women not having to fight legally to ensure this is the case.

In what ways are you willing to show inclusion and acceptance to trans people?

Today @ 15.15 on page 5 VS.

Trans people should not experience discrimination in terms of housing, jobs etc, etc.
It's quite an odd question that to be honest, how for example do I show inclusion to religious people (one of the other protected characteristics). I would support the laws which say they shouldnt be discriminated against in terms of housing, jobs, other than that it would be about my interactions with methodists, catholics, etc.

I accept VS that you and me will never agree on this subject, I do find your very closed views difficult to come to terms with considering your role in education and the Cass report.

Smileless2012

No, acceptance of trans women isn't that they be treated like and identified as women. Acceptance of trans women is accepting the fact they see themselves as/believe themselves to be/feel like women.

Smileless please explain how this answers my question?

Besides

This is the wrong definition of acceptance... Would you say to me as a bisexual, "I accept that you feel the way you do" and expect me to feel accepted?

Bridie22

I accept VS that you and me will never agree on this subject, I do find your very closed views difficult to come to terms with considering your role in education and the Cass report.

I will tell them to rescind my nomination for an award immediately because clearly you know me best

Galaxy acceptance is that trans women are women, trans women... but women. So using pronouns and not saying "You are a man really" is one way to show acceptance

Nope. I dont hold those beliefs. I think gender is oppressive for men and women. I wont embrace it to make you feel happy.
I dont find the compulsion of speech in anyway respectful.

I am saying no. I do not consent.

VioletSky

Galaxy acceptance is that trans women are women, trans women... but women. So using pronouns and not saying "You are a man really" is one way to show acceptance

But it is a fact trans women are men they never were women and can never be women.

Accepting that would make everything so much easier.

In 2024 it is biologically impossible to change one’s sex, you can present however you like, but it doesn’t make you the opposite sex, it’s just playing a part.

I respect that you answered that honestly Galaxy but I'd never seen you state that you do accept trans women so wasn't really expecting anything else

But if transitioning is all down to "gender" why do people have surgery to try to alter the appearance of their sex?

A trans person explained to me that, it was indeed the sex that they did not feel right in and that while they used gender to express sex they still wanted to "be" as in everything and that it was incredibly painful that they could not, as a woman, carry a child of their own.

That's where the crix of acceptance is... If I had no uterus, no bloomin cervix, no breasts, no one would ever accuse me of "playing a part". A good friend of mine had a hysterectomy young, could not have children, said she felt less of a woman... I can empathise with her so I can empathise with trans women

So.......TransPEOPLE putting on a dress and lipstick, which seems to be an all-purpose licence to claim to be a woman (Ha!), reckon they have a cervix just like a woman - and David Lammy thinks so too.
Mister Lammy - just where were you educated?

Like, intelligent women here right? We can do better than allowing sweeping generalisations, misconceptions and untruths into discussion? Surely

Or does no one actually want to change minds lol

VioletSky

How can people declare "I accept the trans community" and then say "trans women are not women"

Do you not see that that is the very definition of not accepting?

I actually take a middle road because I accept trans women as trans women, for many reasons that protect everyone's rights, ensure people receive the right medical treatment, ensure women's sports can be regulated fairly, the list goes on

But they are women in almost every situation except where I personally feel the trans identifier is needed for everyone's benefit, them included.

So tell me again, where is your "acceptance"?

At least there are those here willing to stand up and say they accept nothing about trans people... I can at least respect that as long as it doesn't come with belittling me for having a different view

All I see is women confusing their discomfort with danger

So you can decide when your ‘acceptance’ can be qualified (when you personally feel the trans identifier is needed), but if anyone else does the same (by accepting transwomen other than when they are in female spaces) you find it problematic?

How does that work? Do the rest of us have to bow to your judgement, or do you just continue to rant about ours?

Doodledog what does acceptance look like to you then?

If I thought mine was the only kind of acceptance, I would not be asking what it looks like to someone else

As yet I haven't had a single answer of acceptance except "I accept they feel that way* which is classic putting the issue back on someone else

VioletSky acceptance is a two way street.

Do you accept second rate male athletes, deciding to identify as trans women taking part in female sports because then they can become winners?

Do you accept the female nurses at The Darlington Trust NHS hospital bringing a law suit agains the Trust because they do not want a man identifying as a woman in their changing room?

Every human in the planet is a sum of their parts, and the fact is that the parts (chromosomes, cells etc) that keep us alive and make our bodies and brains who we are cannot be changed.

GrannyGravy13

VioletSky acceptance is a two way street.

Do you accept second rate male athletes, deciding to identify as trans women taking part in female sports because then they can become winners?

Do you accept the female nurses at The Darlington Trust NHS hospital bringing a law suit agains the Trust because they do not want a man identifying as a woman in their changing room?

Every human in the planet is a sum of their parts, and the fact is that the parts (chromosomes, cells etc) that keep us alive and make our bodies and brains who we are cannot be changed.

I mean, I have answered many times on threads you have spoken to me on so why are you asking me?

On this thread I have also mentioned fair sports and protecting safe spaces

Are you just using me as an opportunity to say that? Isn't that a bit wrong?

No need to be snarky, just expressing my view.
Posters have told you repeatedly that they accept trans people but you won't accept this because you want us to have them in female spaces ,No , you need to be accepting of other people's views and the sooner the Cass report is implemented in education the better as I won't be supporting an award for you.

Also unfortunately genetics aren't perfect, never have been, no one has proven that gender dysphoria does not have a genetic link, the opposite in fact

Bridie22

No need to be snarky, just expressing my view.
Posters have told you repeatedly that they accept trans people but you won't accept this because you want us to have them in female spaces ,No , you need to be accepting of other people's views and the sooner the Cass report is implemented in education the better as I won't be supporting an award for you.

No, I advocate for protecting women's safe spaces on this and every single other thread

I also do not ever make horrible personal comments like this

So let us not pretend I am the issue here

VioletSky I cannot remember what you have posted on other threads.

You are repeatedly asking for others definition of acceptance.

I was just wondering what your views on acceptance are?