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France Elections. I am an immigrant

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mokryna Mon 01-Jul-24 15:53:15

Do you think Macron is paving the way for the next president, keeping in mind he cannot stand a third period?

He knew how people were thinking, especially after the European elections, therefore, thought it would be better to go to the polls sooner rather than later, while he was still in charge and be able to have some control although limited.

Marie Le Pen thinks her party's 28-year-old leader will have a say over France’s armed forces and the president's powers would be reduced.

Freya5 Sun 07-Jul-24 20:54:03

zakouma66

Freya, you never let a chance go by do you to spread your poison?

Disgraceful.

A family near me has just been savagely attacked , hate crime.

I have reported you. I have nothing to do with the attack on those poor people. You are a hate monger, have been warnd about you by other GN
All I spoke was the truth.
Hateful person.

Dinahmo Sun 07-Jul-24 20:55:40

Freya I was surprised, having lived in or close to Brixton not to see any coloured faces. I remember when we lived in Brixton an old friend and her young daughter came to stay for a few days. They lived on the coast in Pembrokeshire and I met them at the railway station to accompany theme on the tube. There were several black people heading south and the little girl just stared. She had never before seen a person of colour in her life.

Dinahmo Sun 07-Jul-24 20:58:16

Excellent news about the French result.

Cossy Sun 07-Jul-24 21:00:28

zakouma66

Indeed a majority white country. A minority racist country too, at the moment.

Vive La France Liberté, égalité, fraternité

👏👏👏👏

Cossy Sun 07-Jul-24 21:01:25

Dinahmo

Freya I was surprised, having lived in or close to Brixton not to see any coloured faces. I remember when we lived in Brixton an old friend and her young daughter came to stay for a few days. They lived on the coast in Pembrokeshire and I met them at the railway station to accompany theme on the tube. There were several black people heading south and the little girl just stared. She had never before seen a person of colour in her life.

Well thank goodness things are different now. We are an ethnic mix and the richer for it!

Cossy Sun 07-Jul-24 21:01:53

Joseann

At least you had the advantage of speaking French, pascal30, if I assume correctly. It's ridiculous how many Brits go to live in France but can't be bothered to master the language.

Ditto Spain!

Wyllow3 Sun 07-Jul-24 21:23:45

Dinahmo

Excellent news about the French result.

Fantastic news, live on I player atm

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ck7gydwgvy8t

Basically the far right has been kept out by a first ever coalition between the left and centrist right.

thousands of people flood Paris

Casdon Sun 07-Jul-24 21:28:22

Goodness that’s an amazing picture - the power of the people.

Callistemon213 Sun 07-Jul-24 21:35:54

Goodness! What a picture.

Thank goodness.

Cossy Sun 07-Jul-24 21:48:25

Can we not share our views without resorting to personal insults, we are all grown ups smile

Whitewavemark2 Sun 07-Jul-24 21:52:06

Wyllow3

Dinahmo

Excellent news about the French result.

Fantastic news, live on I player atm

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ck7gydwgvy8t

Basically the far right has been kept out by a first ever coalition between the left and centrist right.

thousands of people flood Paris

I am hoping that the same would happen in the U.K. if ever Farage became a threat to our way of life.

Galaxy Sun 07-Jul-24 22:22:30

I dont thinking that its that simple. The far left leader is as eurosceptic as le pen and is calling for Macron to resign. May be performance politics but this isnt straightforward.

Wyllow3 Sun 07-Jul-24 22:35:22

Yes, not straightforward as the alliance is new, with differing views. From a UK POV however probably better to work with.

Casdon Sun 07-Jul-24 22:39:42

I saw that the leader of the left isn’t popular or representative of the views of much of his party, and not likely to become PM, but people who live in France will tell us how they see the land lying, it’s hard from over the channel to know. Either way they won’t oust Macron, he’s there until 2027 isn’t he, whether they like it or not?

Mamie Mon 08-Jul-24 03:37:16

Mélanchon will be as difficult as possible and is calling for all sorts of things he won't get, so it will be complicated, but he compromised enough to create this broad left alliance in the first place.
Yes Macron stays in place and constitutionally the President is responsible for foreign affairs, which is a relief. Domestic policy will be harder to get through.

Mamie Mon 08-Jul-24 04:08:11

The Prime Minister Gabriel Attal has offered to resign, but stay in place as long as needed. Macron may keep him in place or go with a more neutral PM. The President can theoretically appoint anyone he chooses. I think is highly unlikely to be Mélanchon.

Mamie Mon 08-Jul-24 04:28:46

Sorry should be Mélenchon not Mélanchon.

Joseann Mon 08-Jul-24 06:36:25

Joseann

A cause for celebration in France tonight!

I forgot to say,
A cause for rioting too. But that's normal in France.

I feel a bit sorry for Macron, I hope he can handle the situation over the next 3 years, and not have to waste time trying to come to agreement with the left on petty issues. If there's too much arguing nothing will get done, and it would be a shame for him to end his presidency on this note. He is an intelligent person who has served France well.
Sorry, I'm not writing him off, but he does look about 10 years older now than he did last month!

Galaxy Mon 08-Jul-24 06:41:43

I have just seen a funny tweet on the issue. 'After giving a leg up to the hard right, Macron has now boosted the hard left, quite an achievement for a centrist'.
It made me smile and worry about my own centrist position.

Joseann Mon 08-Jul-24 06:46:59

I do understand what you're saying, Dinahmo, especially in very rural areas and as people get older. French is a difficult language to master too.
I just feel that English people can't possibly embrace French life 100% without a command of the language, as it restricts their interaction with French people. So they don't bother.

Mamie Mon 08-Jul-24 07:25:34

Joseann

I do understand what you're saying, Dinahmo, especially in very rural areas and as people get older. French is a difficult language to master too.
I just feel that English people can't possibly embrace French life 100% without a command of the language, as it restricts their interaction with French people. So they don't bother.

I think that was common in the huge number that came in the early "Place in the Sun" days and then they went back when they realised it wasn't so easy.
I guess if you live somewhere with lots of Anglophones you can still get by, but you certainly wouldn't round here.
In terms of yesterday's vote, I do wonder if the actual numbers allow for a Centrist coalition. Mélenchon was behaving as if he personally had won the election last night, but he really hasn't.

Freya5 Mon 08-Jul-24 08:52:34

Dinahmo

Freya I was surprised, having lived in or close to Brixton not to see any coloured faces. I remember when we lived in Brixton an old friend and her young daughter came to stay for a few days. They lived on the coast in Pembrokeshire and I met them at the railway station to accompany theme on the tube. There were several black people heading south and the little girl just stared. She had never before seen a person of colour in her life.

Think I was about 10, lived I a small village in Lincs. I remember going down the road and seeing someone, in what I know now was a Turban. The first person with darker skin that we had seen. Not dad though, as hed served with Sikhs during the war. He became a friendly face, he was our Kleeneze man.

Cossy Mon 08-Jul-24 09:35:14

Wyllow3

Yes, not straightforward as the alliance is new, with differing views. From a UK POV however probably better to work with.

I agree, I have a sense of relief the far right didn’t get in, but also a slight worry about the coalition and hope it’s a positive which doesn’t lead to constant in-fighting and arguing!

I would riot in the street, or at least protest, if Reform UK ever came close to being able to form a govt. my biggest fear from Farage is that he’ll “disrupt” parliament and be as divisive within the HoC as he was outside instead of doing what he’s paid to do and look after his constituency which comprises some very deprived wards as well as some very wealthy areas.

Strange times eh!

I’m looking forward to hearing RR first speech today.

Freya5 Mon 08-Jul-24 09:53:45

I cannot understand why people think it right to destroy property attack police, because they won. It must have been a right mess last week when they thought Le Pen may get in.
I weep for France. They can't even get a PM in place,and who would want that job now with a hard Left Corbyn type in charge.

Oreo Mon 08-Jul-24 09:58:10

Mamie

Mélanchon will be as difficult as possible and is calling for all sorts of things he won't get, so it will be complicated, but he compromised enough to create this broad left alliance in the first place.
Yes Macron stays in place and constitutionally the President is responsible for foreign affairs, which is a relief. Domestic policy will be harder to get through.

That all fits with what I’ve read Mamie .I would rather that Macron’s centrist Party had got the bigger share of the votes but the left alliance is better than the far right coming out on top.