Labour in line to get the largest majority since 1832......

The Labour Party only came into being in the 20th century so can’t understand the OP.

growstuff

I'm not the slightest bit worried.

I'm more worried that some voters might think it's a foregone conclusion and not vote.

If Labour really gets about twice as many votes as the Conservatives, it just goes to show the feeling against the Conservative Party. It's called democracy - like the result of the referendum, people will just have to live with it.

I will live with it it’s a democratic vote, and I will respect the result.

Doesn’t make me any the less worried though.

Those with nothing to lose don’t care. Those with something to lose care very much.

I do understand Tory voters being worried about Labour domination in parliament, I felt the same when the Tories won by a large majority in 2019. I think the difference this time though is that the threat is coming from all sides, with the risk that it might be the Lib Dem’s who are the opposition, not the Tories, and the potential rise of Reform/the Tory right. It may all come to nothing more than a solid Labour victory with the Tories on 200ish seats, much like 2019 in reverse, or it could be a catastrophe for the Tories, there’s not long to wait to find out now.

Germanshepherdsmum

Those with nothing to lose don’t care. Those with something to lose care very much.

Just goes to show how many people have nothing to lose! I'm sure that those with "something to lose" regret that the system in the UK gives everybody (including those with nothing to lose) a vote. Tough luck! The idea behind democracy is that a government governs for the majority (not just those with something to lose).

Why would anyone be terrified? They are already facing the highest taxes since WW2 and much worse services than 1 years ago. I’d be more terrified of 5 more years of the current lot.

Casdon

I do understand Tory voters being worried about Labour domination in parliament, I felt the same when the Tories won by a large majority in 2019. I think the difference this time though is that the threat is coming from all sides, with the risk that it might be the Lib Dem’s who are the opposition, not the Tories, and the potential rise of Reform/the Tory right. It may all come to nothing more than a solid Labour victory with the Tories on 200ish seats, much like 2019 in reverse, or it could be a catastrophe for the Tories, there’s not long to wait to find out now.

Whether or not it's a catastrophe for the Conservative Party, it's certainly true that they're going to have to put their thinking caps on and decide which direction they're going to take after this.

Very hopeful that Labour are successful. . Were the Conservatives to win its then I would worry.

vegansrock

Why would anyone be terrified? They are already facing the highest taxes since WW2 and much worse services than 1 years ago. I’d be more terrified of 5 more years of the current lot.

They're terrified because those with "something to lose" know very well that they'll have to pay more towards public services for the plebs.

Oreo

The Labour Party only came into being in the 20th century so can’t understand the OP.

Sorry, in trying to make the heading a bit more succinct, I didn't explain properly.

So, does everybody now agree that FPTP is democracy? The people who are disappointed with election results usually yell about it being unfair and want PR.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

I'm not the slightest bit worried.

I'm more worried that some voters might think it's a foregone conclusion and not vote.

If Labour really gets about twice as many votes as the Conservatives, it just goes to show the feeling against the Conservative Party. It's called democracy - like the result of the referendum, people will just have to live with it.

I will live with it it’s a democratic vote, and I will respect the result.

Doesn’t make me any the less worried though.

What are you worried about? Yourself or the country as a whole?

kittylester

Oreo

The Labour Party only came into being in the 20th century so can’t understand the OP.

Sorry, in trying to make the heading a bit more succinct, I didn't explain properly.

Ah, gotcha 😆
You meant Whigs and Tories.

Oreo

So, does everybody now agree that FPTP is democracy? The people who are disappointed with election results usually yell about it being unfair and want PR.

We could argue about the best form of democracy forever (people have already been arguing about it forever) but we're stuck with the system we have and there is no chance it will change before tomorrow.

Polls have consistently shown that just over 20% of those who have been polled support the Conservatives. Whatever form of democracy is chosen, it's quite clear that no country should be governed by 20% of voters.

growstuff

vegansrock

Why would anyone be terrified? They are already facing the highest taxes since WW2 and much worse services than 1 years ago. I’d be more terrified of 5 more years of the current lot.

They're terrified because those with "something to lose" know very well that they'll have to pay more towards public services for the plebs.

Not necessarily growstuff. Ways and means …

Looking forward to it!

I had to live with Alexander Boris Johnson and Elizabeth Truss when the Conservatives had a majority so I feel that I'll survive a Labour majority.

Germanshepherdsmum

growstuff

vegansrock

Why would anyone be terrified? They are already facing the highest taxes since WW2 and much worse services than 1 years ago. I’d be more terrified of 5 more years of the current lot.

They're terrified because those with "something to lose" know very well that they'll have to pay more towards public services for the plebs.

Not necessarily growstuff. Ways and means …

So why are you terrified?

On a previous thread, you had a go at me for having "nothing", while you worked hard and deserve everything you have and want to hang on to every penny.

growstuff I have seen multiple Labour candidates and Sir Starmer himself interviewed and they trot out the same old party line we will not increase NI, PAYE or VAT

I as an employer would like to know more about their so called commerce tax , employers tax and of course CGT and IHT.

I have not seen or heard anything from the Labour Party that reassures me that they have the ability to magic up extra doctors, nurses, teachers, dentists etc.

And another thing - it’s a curiosity that no one who says they’re terrified, is criticising the tories who must accept some responsibility if Labour win the election

Well it wouldn’t be would it Growstuff
It’s no good counting anyone in the UK who isn’t able to vote, or is able but doesn’t do.We can only take notice of those who do vote, and since it isn’t just raw numbers that count, as in percentages, we have to accept that whichever candidate in a constituency gets the most votes wins.
I think it’s fair enough but some don’t.

Iam64

And another thing - it’s a curiosity that no one who says they’re terrified, is criticising the tories who must accept some responsibility if Labour win the election

Oh I blame them, it has been disaster after disaster since Theresa May was ousted/resigned.

Would prefer there not to be a labour majority but it may happen. Having lived under a Labour government for many years my rose coloured spectacles are well and truly off.
The rosy glow will diminish I'm sure over the next years.

Chocolatelovinggran

I had to live with Alexander Boris Johnson and Elizabeth Truss when the Conservatives had a majority so I feel that I'll survive a Labour majority.

No more de Pfeffels thanks.

GrannyGravy13

Iam64

And another thing - it’s a curiosity that no one who says they’re terrified, is criticising the tories who must accept some responsibility if Labour win the election

Oh I blame them, it has been disaster after disaster since Theresa May was ousted/resigned.

It was a disaster long before Theresa May stood down. The disaster started in 2010 when the tories, on inheriting a country starting to recover from the global financial crisis, implemented austerity and immediately slowed the recovery to a snail's pace. Vicious cuts to public spending not only threw public sector workers out of work but also badly affected the private sector businesses which sold goods and services into the public sector and which also had sold goods and services to the now unemployed public sector workers. There was also the same adverse effect resulting from freezing public sector pay

Cuts to social welfare with the intention of forcing benefit claimants into work also reduced income for private sector businesses.

There were many more adverse effects of 'austerity' and the tory ideological determination to shrink the state but this post would turn into a very long essay if I were to go into detail.

But the disastrous and irresponsible EU referendum also deserves a mention. It has made the UK poorer and created division in the population which is still an open sore...

Then we come to the post May disasters...