Labour in line to get the largest majority since 1832......

"Gob on a stick" Rayner is frequently known as, apparently.

On mumsnet, apparently, because if mumsnet say it, then it must be by people with high standards.

I'd never heard her called that anywhere except here.

kittylester

Is no one else worried about the implications?

I do not care what anyone says about the Conservatives, but not one political party has had to contend with what the Conservatives have had to contend with since coming into power 14 years ago. There was no money in the pot after labour so the Conservatives had to start from scratch, then came Brexit, then came the Covid pandemic, then came the Ukraine war it has been non stop and now they would have had the chance to try and straighten everything out, people vote for Labour.

The conservatives should have been given the chance to get Great Britain back on it's feet. Labour have got it easy, all the bad things that have happened these last few years are over so I hope to goodness they do not waste it and make a mess of it.

Dinahmo I am not hurt, just surprised!

Our son and his partner have a child

Our daughter has two children

Neither are married, illegitimate child/ren is a throw back to past years when it was used as an insult and slur to indicate a so called fallen women

BigMamma - fourteen years(!) not long enough?

That is not a matter of concern to me.

then came Brexit, then came the Covid pandemic, then came the Ukraine war

Then came? They created the first one, lied about the second and the third is foreign policy.

Germanshepherdsmum

My standards include not having an illegitimate child and speaking decently.

She has a disabled child. Do you look down on that, too?

Oh GSM - " not having an illegitimate child"? Shame on you.

I am a Christian and don’t approve of having children outside marriage. Is that a problem?

Don’t be so crass MayBee.

I and DH are Christian’s , we got married in church with four of our children present.

Beautiful and meaningful day.

Our child that was born after our marriage constantly berates us for not waiting until she was here.

Just read there is a suggestion of means testing state pensions 😱

Guess there must be different kinds of Christians?

Where?

(Was asking BevSec)

A Christian judging an unmarried woman for having a baby ?

Same as those who ran homes for unmarried mothers , they were brought up with this hatred

Ah, an unsubstantiated rumour in GB news. No, BevSec, rest easy. It has been discussed historically many times by different parties. It is most certainly not on the cards.

Germanshepherdsmum

I am a Christian and don’t approve of having children outside marriage. Is that a problem?

Don’t be so crass MayBee.

Well, GSM, you have brought yourself down to a new low with that comment .

It is apparently by a senior Keir Starmer adviser.

BevSec

It is apparently by a senior Keir Starmer adviser.

Can you link, please?

zakhouma, yes there are different kinds of Christians.

I am unsure how to do a link. It was on google newsfeeds. I will try to find the article.

BigMamma

I do not care what anyone says about the Conservatives, but not one political party has had to contend with what the Conservatives have had to contend with since coming into power 14 years ago.
There was no money in the pot after labour so the Conservatives had to start from scratch, then came Brexit, then came the Covid pandemic, then came the Ukraine war it has been non stop and now they would have had the chance to try and straighten everything out, people vote for Labour.

You make some good points, BigMamma

Re the referendum. I hold the Conservatives responsible for not realising that, with our record of poor turnout, the referendum would not be a good idea. People always quote percentages, but
over one and a quarter million more people got off their rear ends and voted for leave.
I blame the people who say they would have voted remain, but didn’t bother to vote.

Covid? It was new!
With hindsight, we all knew what to do and could criticise what was being done.
We have no evidence that Labour would have been any more scrupulous in the acquisition of PPE, or successful in finding ways to keep the economy afloat.

Ukraine?
Well we will now see how Labour deal with Ukraine, likewise with the Middle East and the illegal immigrants.

After 13 years, we were desperate for a change from the damage Labour had done. Now after 14 years we’re desperate for a change from the Conservatives.

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

One of Rachel Reeves advisors Sir Edward Troup (brought in to advise on tax avoidance) has said -

not in context of the Labour Party

"The tax expert asserted that a "debate needs to be had" and means-tested could be a solution to address the issues surrounding public expenditure."

the article also wrongly states "However, the party avoided committing to the "triple lock" which was the policy put forward by the Conservative Party." We have the triple lock in the LP policy.

Its a nasty smear article

www.gbnews.com/money/state-pension-means-tested-labour.

and historically not new:

Last year, the Daily Telegraph carried an article suggesting looking at means testing pensions:

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/09/15/pension-triple-lock-standoff-solution-rishi-sunak/

More references from the past if you google.

Anniebach

A Christian judging an unmarried woman for having a baby ?

Same as those who ran homes for unmarried mothers , they were brought up with this hatred

Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “he that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.’ The people crowded ariund him were so touched by their own consciences that they departed. (John 8.7)

Our Church baptises children, whether their parents are married or not. Suffer the little children to come unto me.
It’s beyond me to understand why having ‘an illegitimate’ child in 2024 can be viewed with such judgement.

Two of my grandchildren have parents who aren’t married. They’ve been together 12 years and live what I suspect most posters would see as a fairly traditional family life

Unmarried mothers in the past were judged by their families and the church, to read this judgement In 2024 causes my stomach to churn