Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

My next door neighbour who works in a,hospital as management says that junior doctors are the people that really deserve to earn more.

We have a junior Dr in the family, their pay is appalling. I got paid more for working in a factory

Thats exactly what she says too.
Nurses do regular overtime which can pay almost as much as to double their wage, but junior doctors are earning about £14 per hour, by her reckoning.

Primrose53

Not exactly doom but a feeling of embarrassment that flip flopping Starmer could be in charge and, even worse, will have the foul mouthed “gob on a stick” as she is frequently called, alongside him.

Imagine them representing our country with leaders from all nations and then they rock up! 🤮🤮
I will never forget that picture of the two of them taking the knee! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Starmer represented us in France on D Day when Sunak embarrassingly left to do an election interview. I don’t think he looked out of place there. I kept thinking how embarrassed I would have felt if Johnson was representing us at that event. Or Truss after her comment about Macron ( something that I very much doubt Angela would have said).

Rockyroad

Iam64

HousePlantQueen
Primrose53
Not exactly doom but a feeling of embarrassment that flip flopping Starmer could be in charge and, even worse, will have the foul mouthed “gob on a stick” as she is frequently called, alongside him.

Imagine them representing our country with leaders from all nations and then they rock up! 🤮🤮
I will never forget that picture of the two of them taking the knee! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a vulgar comment
My mum would say ‘common’

No more ‘common’ than Raynor calling Tories ‘scum’
She is a complete embarrassment.

Johnson's "Fuck business". Was that OK with you? Or his constant lies in HoC.

What strange standards some have

JaneJudge

We have a junior Dr in the family, their pay is appalling. I got paid more for working in a factory

Why has their pay slipped so much in recent years. If it has.

Callistemon213

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Shall I tell her?

I had somehow missed that so didn’t reply

MissAdventure

My next door neighbour who works in a,hospital as management says that junior doctors are the people that really deserve to earn more.

Your next door neighbour is right MissA.

My daughter is a doctor. That’s how I know something about the pay of doctors.

JaneJudge

growstuff

Witzend

The other day I asked a young relative, a student doctor, who’s just finished her 3rd year, whether she was going to vote (for the first time).

No, because she hadn’t got around to registering.
I can’t help wondering how many students would say the same.

Yes, I wondered whether that had anything to do with the timing. University has finished, most students will have moved back home or be on holiday. I wouldn't mind betting that many of them aren't registered.

my son registered and they have not sent his voting card through

he got a First in Engineering btw

Apologies if this has been mentioned but the important thing to take to a polling station is your photo I’d. If other things haven’t arrived there is still a possibility that he can vote.

MissAdventure

Thats exactly what she says too.
Nurses do regular overtime which can pay almost as much as to double their wage, but junior doctors are earning about £14 per hour, by her reckoning.

that's how much they get paid

Maybee70, I checked when I went to vote, he is on the list

She’s no longer a junior doctor though.
She sometimes laughingly compares herself to her brothers, one a senior barrister, the other a financial director. Both earn considerably more than she does, even though she’s been practicing medicine for nearly twenty years.

biglouis

I have never forgotten that Blair (the warmonger) encouraged swathes of foreigners into this country - a policy I never got to vote on. I was never asked if I wanted a "multi cultural " Britain.

Britain was multi cultural long before the Blair govt.

In Ipswich there were several engineering works including Ransomes (agricultural machinery) founded in the late 18thC and Cranes an off shoot of a large American company, the founders of which were originally from Suffolk. Both these employed Italians.

Italians also brought proper ice cream to the UK and, as I understand, there are still Italian ice cream parlours in Scotland. They also opened delis in London, such as I Camisa in Soho, opened in 1929.

And don't forget the huge numbers of Indian and Chinese restaurants.

Just to clarify I did not invent the term “gob on a stick” for Angela Rayner. Although it is very apt. 😉

I said she is frequently called that! Mumsnet posters have been calling her that since at least 2021, FaceBook, Twitter etc also use it regularly and, in fact, Rayner herself knows she is called that because she referred to it in a recent TV interview where she was discussing her “feral” childhood. (again, her term not mine.)

I really don't agree that Tony Blair taking us into an illegal war is the only thing that can be said against him. Firstly, it was a huge, huge issue, resulting in millions of deaths, invading a country for the most spurious of reasons, albeit ruled over by a murderous dictator. However in sweeping away the fine balance of various factions and allegiances that the west never fully understood, does it ever, whenever we interfere in other nation's internal affairs, we gave that country something far worse. That was when my disillusionment with the Labour party set in, I voted for them in 1997. We were taken into a war on a false premise, there were never any weapons of mass destruction and we have to ask ourselves why Tony Blair was so in thrall to a pretty right wing President. Millions of us voiced our opposition to that so much for democracy. Democracy that is only ever a thin veneer in any case, who really pulls the strings are a whole host of lobbyists, corporations, big business and un-elected bodies. It's really no different with either the Tories or Labour in that respect, both two wings of the same bird.

The Iraq War dominated my unease with the last Labour government, but here are others that I feel have been somewhat air brushed out.

Under their tenure there was also the highly questionable suicide of Weapons Expert, Dr David Kelly and Alastair Campbell and his dubious Iraqi document allegedly changed to satisfy the US false claims.

It's been said on various threads that Labour will put an end to corruption, anyone remember the cash for honours debacle in 2007 ???

It was under the watch of a Labour council in Rotherham that the sexual grooming of children proliferated and much of that was suppressed, and maybe that rationale was reflected in Labour MP Naz Shah's re Tweet "Rotherham sex abuse victims need to shut their mouths for the good of diversity" That shocked me to the core, to comprehend the mindset of those who turned a blind eye to this appalling crime.

Having said all that the general mood of the country is one that wants and possibly needs a change, the Tories have run their course, they've just pissed any goodwill up against the wall, Boris with his prevarications and downright lies, Cameron being the personification of a lightweight career politician, both far worse than Sunak imo.

Personally I'm not one for blind faith, I'm staggered how some people express that on GN, maybe my catholic upbringing taught me one can feel very let down by those we appoint to preside over the rest of us and put our faith in and much of what is really going on is hidden. Power corrupts and we underestimate just how much sometimes.

In the meantime I'll reserve judgement and wait and see.

ronib

I have to agree with the Reform Party that the Uk needs to revise its whole system of government. I don’t know how mind you….although reducing House of Lords, limiting power of First Division Civil Service and presumably tinkering with the Bank of England to enable any elected government to govern.
Well it’s a start but won’t happen anytime soon so in the interim, expect more of the same? Labour may well win this election but who really governs this country?

The Civil Service is there to advise ministers. which they do. We have had so many different ministers in the last 14 years and they cannot know everything about the ministry that they have been appointed to, given that they have had careers in different fields in the past. And yet we appoint ministers to health or foreign affairs etc etc when their former occupation might have been in law or accountancy.
They would come up with ideas and the Civil Service would advise whether they were feasible or not.

Primrose53

Just to clarify I did not invent the term “gob on a stick” for Angela Rayner. Although it is very apt. 😉

I said she is frequently called that! Mumsnet posters have been calling her that since at least 2021, FaceBook, Twitter etc also use it regularly and, in fact, Rayner herself knows she is called that because she referred to it in a recent TV interview where she was discussing her “feral” childhood. (again, her term not mine.)

Thank you for writing where you'd seen it. I don't follow Mumsnet and I've never seen it on Facebook or Twitter because I don't follow the accounts of people who would use that kind of language. As has been pointed out, people are exposed to different aspects of social media.

Optomistic1

Oh yes. I feel we are all doomed - well anyone who has savings, owns a house, is a pensioner. God help us. Careful what the Labour voters wish for that is all I can say ... other than I really feel very depressed thinking of seeing the gormless , rabbit in a head light Keir starman stood on the steps of no 10 tmw with Our Angela stood behind him... god help us - it's only tmw that we will start to find out what they will really do.

if any of the above were true then all LP supporters don't own their own houses, aren't working in the professions or have savings.

Which is funny because I and my friends are all LP supporters and do have houses and savings and do work in the professions.

jan1956

yes doom we are doomed how can they say they will help nhs when they are opening the floodgates to what is coming from France? they are going to build how many houses on our once green and peasant land How can this be anything but doom???

The majority of immigrants coming by boat are young. The young do not use the health system very often, unlike the home grown elderly who use it an awful lot.

Do people realise how racist Nigel Farage and his reform party is when they are rejoicing in it or are they all racist too

Excellent post TerriBull.

The David Kelly case is something that still bothers me. There was something corrupt about it in my opinion. We will never know. It was suppressed.

Alistair Campbell and the equally odious Mandleson both make my flesh crawl. Both only interested in power and money. And Campbell won’t be quiet now even. Still promoting himself on television with his books.

Labour are just as corrupt as Conservatives.

BlueBelle
Reform won’t win. They’re irrelevant.

fancythat

JaneJudge

We have a junior Dr in the family, their pay is appalling. I got paid more for working in a factory

Why has their pay slipped so much in recent years. If it has.

Drs pay has slipped so much, along with a great many public sector workers, because the tories, in the name of 'austerity' froze public sector wages from 2010 onwards.

This has been gone into a number of times on this forum over the past ear or so.

I'm sure maddyone can tell you more.

(Incidentally, I don't see why nurses or any other worker, should have to work overtime in order to bring their wage up to a decent level.)

'past year or so...'

ronib

Any idea about Labour’s wealth tax on pensioners? With hourly fees of £38 and double for the weekend and Bank holidays for home based social care, I wonder how many rich pensioners there are?

Those fees are paid to the private companies who employ the carers and not to the carers themselves.

My BIL had a carer who came in every day to get him up and then get him to bed. This carer had a few others that he also worked for. His daily mileage would be the same and yet the company reduced his mileage claims because "people fiddled" It would have been easy enough for them to check the distances using one of the internet platforms. They also deducted VAT from his payments and yet he wasn't VAT registered.