Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

No.

It was time for a change.

Of course there will be plenty to criticise and grumble about in the next few years and it would be strange if there is not.
But we seemed to be in a political rut and needed different people with different ideas in charge.

So many of the new MP's have minority votes (more people voted against them , than voted for them). Really is about time for a proper proportional representation, single transferrable vote system,

I find it a little strange that just a two percent increase in the Labour Party vote turns from what was in 2019 a Disaster, to an incredible victory.

Franbern you are so right. Two percent! It’s nothing. I haven’t believed that first past the post is a democratic or fair system for years. But the two main parties like it because it gives them complete power. Unfortunately power corrupts.

But we seemed to be in a political rut and needed different people with different ideas in charge.

That's ok if you like the new ideas - votes for 16 year olds, etc etc

Sparklefizz the idea of 16 years olds voting horrifies me. They’re still at school or college in the majority of cases. The vast majority don’t work, earn any money or pay taxes, they can’t drive, they can’t go to prison if they commit a crime, they can’t fight in a war, they can’t get married without parental consent. Not that I think they should be allowed to do any of those things, but if they can’t do those adult things, why should they be considered adult enough to vote? Apparently the girls who went to Syria to join ISIS were children, but suddenly they’re not children where voting is concerned.

Double standards!

Franbern

So many of the new MP's have minority votes (more people voted against them , than voted for them). Really is about time for a proper proportional representation, single transferrable vote system,

I find it a little strange that just a two percent increase in the Labour Party vote turns from what was in 2019 a Disaster, to an incredible victory.

I feel the same. The whole system needs a shake up and it is about power. I'm sure there are some good MPs out there as our neighbouring borough has a particularly good one who is very proactive, very visible and seems to actually care but I can't say the same for all of them and voting for the party line stuff is absolute nonsense - they should vote for their constituents

Yes I’m concerned, especially as I’ve heard a few commentators saying Blair and his institute are advising/guiding KS.

Blair damaged the UK irreparably and shouldn’t be anywhere near government.

maddyone

Sparklefizz the idea of 16 years olds voting horrifies me. They’re still at school or college in the majority of cases. The vast majority don’t work, earn any money or pay taxes, they can’t drive, they can’t go to prison if they commit a crime, they can’t fight in a war, they can’t get married without parental consent. Not that I think they should be allowed to do any of those things, but if they can’t do those adult things, why should they be considered adult enough to vote? Apparently the girls who went to Syria to join ISIS were children, but suddenly they’re not children where voting is concerned.

Double standards!

I totally agree maddyone. I have a 16 year old grandson. 'Nuff said!

I’m not a political animal in anyway with absolutely no political affiliation. But I must admit I’m a bit scared this morning, worried about taxation and loosing the triple lock. I already struggle in the winter with choices between eating or heating and the thought that I might loose some income terrifies me.

Juniewoonie

I’m not a political animal in anyway with absolutely no political affiliation. But I must admit I’m a bit scared this morning, worried about taxation and loosing the triple lock. I already struggle in the winter with choices between eating or heating and the thought that I might loose some income terrifies me.

You also need to keep a watch on the Channel Junie because illegal immigrants will be flooding in after today’s result because that is exactly what Labour want! They will be holding up signs saying ALL WELCOME.

Yes, they are busy with the crayons now making the signs.

Be afraid. The immigrants are coming and you won't be able to heat your homes.

That'll be about it.

Sparklefizz

^But we seemed to be in a political rut and needed different people with different ideas in charge.^

That's ok if you like the new ideas - votes for 16 year olds, etc etc

Well.given the enthusism (or lack of it) of 18-21s for voting. Including many university students. I shouldn't worry about 16-18 year olds voting, they will be too busy on social media to bother to vote.

Juniewoonie both parties /were are committed to the triple pension lock

The Uk has a very poor record on State pension - flagging behind I seem to remember. So a triple lock is welcome but it won’t be enough given the current cost of living crisis plus care fees. Over to Labour to fix.

Primrose53

Juniewoonie

I’m not a political animal in anyway with absolutely no political affiliation. But I must admit I’m a bit scared this morning, worried about taxation and loosing the triple lock. I already struggle in the winter with choices between eating or heating and the thought that I might loose some income terrifies me.

You also need to keep a watch on the Channel Junie because illegal immigrants will be flooding in after today’s result because that is exactly what Labour want! They will be holding up signs saying ALL WELCOME.

How can people be non political? The personal is political. I hope you dont need to worry about losing income. We’ve all been losing income every time we get a basket shop. It cost £25 not many months ago, now £50

Primrose - your posts on immigration get sillier imo

Wyllow3

Juniewoonie both parties /were are committed to the triple pension lock

True. But for how long?

zakouma66

Yes, they are busy with the crayons now making the signs.

Be afraid. The immigrants are coming and you won't be able to heat your homes.

That'll be about it.

It's no joke. Let's see how the numbers of boat people go in the next few weeks/months. Try and remember this is like a dripping tap, it keeps dripping until someone stops it. People will keep coming week after week after week ad infinitum. We have 12,655 in the last 6 months. So how many will that be in 10 years time unless it is stopped?

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Just to add, we've had 50,000 boat arrivals since Rishi Sunak became PM. How will Labour effectively deal with this issue? A lady aid worker on TV presented this map showing all the countries they are coming from. How can we take all these people zakouma66?

True. But for how long

Both parties committed until 2028. Whether they mean calendar or financial year, I am not sure.

Farage will be sure to harangue Starmer about immigration at every opportunity, so for that reason I’m glad he’s got a seat. He will have the latest figures at his fingertips every time and will ram them home. Starmer has no credible plan to deal with the boats but the numbers voting for Reform show what a serious issue this is for the public.

Well, my new Labour MP has already arranged a public meeting with her constituents to discuss what can be done to help people with special needs. Because those are the things that need sorting: not this constant focus on how many people are arriving in boats every day. And this is the day that that particular type of scapegoating ends. Until Farage starts spouting his bile in parliament. I’m far more worried about that than what Labour will or won’t do.

Reform got 4,072,947 votes which has given them 4 MP’s

Lib Dem’s got 3,487,568 votes which has given them 71 MP’s

I guess the Lib Dem’s will not be calling for PR anytime soon?

Did Sunak or Farage have a credible plan?

Farage "turn back the boats at sea to France" isn't possible. Since the Rwanda bill, the movement stopped processing people altogether, no wonder people keep coming: and Rwanda could not take the numbers we've been seeing never mind the huge cost to the tax payer of the whole shenanigans.

Germanshepherdsmum

Farage will be sure to harangue Starmer about immigration at every opportunity, so for that reason I’m glad he’s got a seat. He will have the latest figures at his fingertips every time and will ram them home. Starmer has no credible plan to deal with the boats but the numbers voting for Reform show what a serious issue this is for the public.

You’re glad that that disgusting man has now got a seat in parliament but despair that someone like Angela Rayner has one ?

Yes, I am glad for the reason I stated. I thought I had made that clear.