Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

The problem with PR isn't the end game but the process.

At least a year of examining different sorts, completely changing the system whilst desperately pressing matters get ignored.

GG13 I think Labour and the LibDems clearly understood that with the current system, they needed to forensically concentrate on distribution, rather than numbers, of votes. They both developed strategies for this, and carried them out relentlessly and successfully.

I would assume, given decent campaign managers, they would be equally adept at creating and implementing strategies for a PR system.

11:23Primrose53

I agree Primrose many a true word spoken in jest.

Where are Labour going to house them, in hotels like the Conservatives did or stamp them through and off they go to where? Give them tents like they do in Ireland.

Germanshepherdsmum

Farage will be sure to harangue Starmer about immigration at every opportunity, so for that reason I’m glad he’s got a seat. He will have the latest figures at his fingertips every time and will ram them home. Starmer has no credible plan to deal with the boats but the numbers voting for Reform show what a serious issue this is for the public.

Farage won't have many opportunities to 'harangue' Starmer. H e could only do it at PMQs and the opportunity for doing so is very limited for minority parties and backbenchers.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/prime-ministers-questions-pmqs

The most he could get to do in the Chamber in relation to immigration is to harangue the Home Secretary when she is taking questions, but once again, opportunities are limited.

She will have the latest numbers at her fingertips, too. So will Starmer if Farage gets onto the Order Paper for PMQs.

Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'. 😁

Wyllow3

Did Sunak or Farage have a credible plan?

Farage "turn back the boats at sea to France" isn't possible. Since the Rwanda bill, the movement stopped processing people altogether, no wonder people keep coming: and Rwanda could not take the numbers we've been seeing never mind the huge cost to the tax payer of the whole shenanigans.

Whether they had a plan or not Labour is in charge now, so what's going to happen when the boats start coming again which they will in increasing numbers, we were thought of as a soft touch before now we will be a soft touch with bells on.

12:48MaizieD
Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'. 😁

That's a bit rich coming from you 🤣

I voted Reform but I knew they wouldn’t get in. However? I was hoping they’d get a few more seats in order to press the government on issues that millions of people have concerns about.

To constantly label these people as racists and rabid right wingers is lazy and far too simplistic.

I hope KS and the new government will listen and take on board these concerns as change is long overdue.

I can’t even get back to watching Wimbledon as it’s raining again! It’s a lovely day here in the East Midlands. Oh well back to the Tour de France or some housework!!

I wonder if the four Reform MPs will do the turning their backs routine when in Parliament? I remember it had some effect in the EU?
I would never underestimate Nigel Farage and I expect that his influence will continue to grow.

Anyone concerned regarding the abuse and threats hurled at Jess Phillips? Also the fact that longstanding Labour MP in Birmingham, Khalid Mahmoud has been ousted by an independent on the pro Palestine ticket, is worrying. I had a lot of time for Mr Mahmoud. It’s worrying.

Farage is brilliant at self publicity and I agree that his influence will continue to grow. He won’t miss an opportunity to keep immigration at the top of the agenda and it will be very uncomfortable for Labour.

Germanshepherdsmum

Farage will be sure to harangue Starmer about immigration at every opportunity, so for that reason I’m glad he’s got a seat. He will have the latest figures at his fingertips every time and will ram them home. Starmer has no credible plan to deal with the boats but the numbers voting for Reform show what a serious issue this is for the public.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Amir, 23, a bean seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.

He said: “We are calling him [Starmer] ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”

Amir added that he would make the crossing “as soon as possible” now Sir Keir Starmer is in power.

He said: “It’s really good for us. We were really nervous in our countries to travel all the way here and get sent back.

“We no longer live in fear of sending us to Rwanda. I’ve seen a couple of documentaries and Rwanda is not the best place.” (The Telegraph today)

ronib

I wonder if the four Reform MPs will do the turning their backs routine when in Parliament? I remember it had some effect in the EU?
I would never underestimate Nigel Farage and I expect that his influence will continue to grow.

On the contrary, I think today he hits his peak. It will be down hill all the way from now.

Three of his four seats are right on the far eastern fringe, with populations that are older than average, a very high vote for Brexit and have lower education attainment and high unemployment.

Mor and more of those who voted for Brexit are regretting it and as we know the older you are, the closer you are to death.

If Starmer succeeds in even half the things he promises, to help those on the margin and to reduce inequality, these four seats will melt like ice in summer just as did the Conservative take over of those Labour seats in the last election, all are now safely gathered back by labour.

You don’t surprise me. If we think things are bad now, wait and see how much worse they become, very quickly. Is a former human rights lawyer going to be tough on immigration? No way. Farage will be a constant thorn in his side, thank goodness. More power to his elbow.

That was in reply to Nicenanny.

GrannyGravy13
Reform got 4,072,947 votes which has given them 4 MP’s
Lib Dem’s got 3,487,568 votes which has given them 71 MP’s

I always notice those statistics GG13 because they are so important. Here are the figures from today.

You have to hand it to the Lib Dem’s, they understood the rules, and played a very effective campaign. They targeted the right seats, and threw manpower and effort at them, lots of door knocking paid off.

I am sure Farage will be so busy dealing with complaints about dog poo, seagulls, planning disputes, council services and all the other important and trivial concerns of his constituents; being an active and engaged member of parliamentary committees; and forensically scrutinising legislation on a broad range of issues, as any other responsible MP would, that he won’t have much time for self-publicity.

How many people voting for them had forgotten or chose to ignore his role in the PO scandal?

tickingbird

Anyone concerned regarding the abuse and threats hurled at Jess Phillips? Also the fact that longstanding Labour MP in Birmingham, Khalid Mahmoud has been ousted by an independent on the pro Palestine ticket, is worrying. I had a lot of time for Mr Mahmoud. It’s worrying.

I agree, I'm no fan of Jess Phillips but some terrible things have been going on there and I admire her for being so brave.

Also Jonathan Ashworth has been ousted by a pro Palestine candidate in Leicester South.

But every cloud has a silver lining. At least Galloway has been ousted.

Germanshepherdsmum

How many people voting for them had forgotten or chose to ignore his role in the PO scandal?

Most had realised he was no more culpable than many other ministers - evidenced by the fact that he was the only leader whose popularity rose during the election campaign. It matters not if you like him or not, you have to admit they did very well indeed. .

MayBee70

Well, my new Labour MP has already arranged a public meeting with her constituents to discuss what can be done to help people with special needs. Because those are the things that need sorting: not this constant focus on how many people are arriving in boats every day. And this is the day that that particular type of scapegoating ends. Until Farage starts spouting his bile in parliament. I’m far more worried about that than what Labour will or won’t do.

MayBee70 do you honestly believe that people with special needs will take priority over the boat people? How many times do people have to be told there will not be enough money to go round ….. look at what we are paying every single day to pay for those who are already here.

Germanshepherdsmum

You don’t surprise me. If we think things are bad now, wait and see how much worse they become, very quickly. Is a former human rights lawyer going to be tough on immigration? No way. Farage will be a constant thorn in his side, thank goodness. More power to his elbow.

Totally agree germanshepherdsmum 👏👏

Iam64

Primrose53

Juniewoonie

I’m not a political animal in anyway with absolutely no political affiliation. But I must admit I’m a bit scared this morning, worried about taxation and loosing the triple lock. I already struggle in the winter with choices between eating or heating and the thought that I might loose some income terrifies me.

You also need to keep a watch on the Channel Junie because illegal immigrants will be flooding in after today’s result because that is exactly what Labour want! They will be holding up signs saying ALL WELCOME.

How can people be non political? The personal is political. I hope you dont need to worry about losing income. We’ve all been losing income every time we get a basket shop. It cost £25 not many months ago, now £50

Primrose - your posts on immigration get sillier imo

Iam64

You mark my words. You will be the one looking silly when the next migration figures come out!