Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

Your new MP won’t have money to spend on the things she promises MayBee.

Hopefully she won't be engaged in siphoning off what she does have to her friends and associates, though.

Poppyred

Yes! People have such short memories…….the last Labour government ruined this country for ever.

So True... and then everyone said at the time that we couldn't expect much from the Tories, because they'd inherited years of terrible governing from Labour... and of course here we go again, back on that roundabout... No doubt labour will say exactly the same and nothing will be fixed..

and then everyone said at the time that we couldn't expect much from the Tories, because they'd inherited years of terrible governing from Labour... and of course here we go again, back on that roundabout...

There's a world off difference between the lies the tories told about the economy (which was actually doing fine) in 2010) and the absolute mess the tories have left the country in 14 years later. I won't bother to detail it here because I'm short of time, but I'm sure someone else can enlighten you.

'Impending doom'? Does not even come close!

MaizieD Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'.
No matter what you think of him you cannot call him an empty bucket which implies stupidity. In four weeks he has gathered together a party and taken a huge share of the vote. The Conservatives have been around for 200 years!

I agree with GSM. I'm glad he got in because we really need someone to speak out on immigration issues. I'm not sure anyone else has the will or the confidence to stand up against that wall of red MPS opposite.

Chestnut

MaizieD Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'.
No matter what you think of him you cannot call him an empty bucket which implies stupidity. In four weeks he has gathered together a party and taken a huge share of the vote. The Conservatives have been around for 200 years!

I agree with GSM. I'm glad he got in because we really need someone to speak out on immigration issues. I'm not sure anyone else has the will or the confidence to stand up against that wall of red MPS opposite.

I think the phrase (which I was taught as 'empty vessels make most sound') just means that those with little to say talk the most. It doesn't imply stupidity to me, but someone who likes the sound of their own voice.

Farage is a very good orator, but he doesn't have much to say on anything other than immigration, and he has no sensible plans to deal with it. Take people back to France and dump them on the beach? Not much of a policy, is it?

He doesn't seem to recognise that a significant percentage of NHS staff are immigrants, or that Brexit left a lot of jobs in hospitality and care unfilled.

I will be interested to hear him on PMQs, although he won't get the floor very often. I think he will struggle to argue rather than rant or pontificate, as there is not much detail behind the surface. Lee Anderson and Richard Tice are given to saying embarrassing things when given the spotlight too, so I guess it won't be long before their true colours are more visible, and Farage will have to keep a lid on that as well as manage his own reputation.

He won’t get the opportunity in parliament frequently though Chestnut. He won’t be the leader of the opposition, or a shadow cabinet minister. With four MPs Reform will be way down the pecking order, after the Tories, Lib Dem’s, SNP, DUP, and equal with the Greens and Plaid. I think you underestimate the other opposition parties too, there will be plenty of people with things they want heard. It’s not Farage’s natural habitat at all.

I imagine one of Farage’s first actions will be opening discussions about crossing the floor to join the Tories.

Farage will find time to grandstand, whether in the Parliamentary chamber or outside it.

Farage is a stupid man. He is one of lifes disrupters, not a person to take responsibility, not a person to work with other people or put anybody elses interest ahead of his own. He is in many ways another Boris, loves strirring up he cr*p, but not interested in clearing it up.

He is in every way a clown, never happier than when performing in a public place while everyone stands round and claps him and urges him on.

M0nica

Farage will find time to grandstand, whether in the Parliamentary chamber or outside it.

Farage is a stupid man. He is one of lifes disrupters, not a person to take responsibility, not a person to work with other people or put anybody elses interest ahead of his own. He is in many ways another Boris, loves strirring up he cr*p, but not interested in clearing it up.

He is in every way a clown, never happier than when performing in a public place while everyone stands round and claps him and urges him on.

What a load of tosh.

Farage likes to hear the sound of his own voice. He needs to be in the limelight as it gives him the validation he thinks is his due. He is an egotist and needs to be relevant, otherwise he is nothing. Which of course, in reality, he is.

flump

Farage likes to hear the sound of his own voice. He needs to be in the limelight as it gives him the validation he thinks is his due. He is an egotist and needs to be relevant, otherwise he is nothing. Which of course, in reality, he is.

Yet Labour won the election and all you are talking about is Farage, why bother?

M0nica

Farage will find time to grandstand, whether in the Parliamentary chamber or outside it.

Farage is a stupid man. He is one of lifes disrupters, not a person to take responsibility, not a person to work with other people or put anybody elses interest ahead of his own. He is in many ways another Boris, loves strirring up he cr*p, but not interested in clearing it up.

He is in every way a clown, never happier than when performing in a public place while everyone stands round and claps him and urges him on.

I agree with much of what you have written, but he was clever enough to con Tory voters to vote for him. His rhetoric about being the post election opposition party certainly was laughable, unfortunately for the Tories their ‘loyal’ voters switched allegiances, thus destroying the party.
Interesting times, as for Farage ‘ empty vessels’.

Nicenanny3

flump

Farage likes to hear the sound of his own voice. He needs to be in the limelight as it gives him the validation he thinks is his due. He is an egotist and needs to be relevant, otherwise he is nothing. Which of course, in reality, he is.

Yet Labour won the election and all you are talking about is Farage, why bother?

I think posters are answering your comments. Rude to just ignore you.

I have been surprised by just how much political commentators are taking him seriously.
Bit gobsmacked actually.

I don’t think Farage needs to have a workable plan Doodledog. He just needs to keep asking what Labour are doing, what they have achieved, and emphasise each time how many people have come here on boats this year/month/week/since Labour took office. He can do that in the HoC with the Speaker’s consent, on tv, on social media, in the newspapers. He will make sure the message is heard and I don’t envy Yvette Cooper having to deal with him. It’s Reform’s stance on immigration which has ensured they received so many votes, whatever we think of the party or any of its members and supporters. Uncontrolled immigration is a huge issue for the country and Farage simply needs to keep hammering away. He will, I think, do that very well.

Primrose53

MayBee70

Well, my new Labour MP has already arranged a public meeting with her constituents to discuss what can be done to help people with special needs. Because those are the things that need sorting: not this constant focus on how many people are arriving in boats every day. And this is the day that that particular type of scapegoating ends. Until Farage starts spouting his bile in parliament. I’m far more worried about that than what Labour will or won’t do.

MayBee70 do you honestly believe that people with special needs will take priority over the boat people? How many times do people have to be told there will not be enough money to go round ….. look at what we are paying every single day to pay for those who are already here.

The needs of everyone will be treated equally. And people on boats will not be used as scapegoats and dehumanised. Can’t help but feel that a lot of you will actually be disappointed if the number of people arriving on boats does reduce. However it isn’t going to happen quickly because Keir will be looking at the problem as a whole, not just coming up with gimmicky solutions. It’s a complex problem and he will have been thinking about it for a longtime.

Oh dear MayBee, you really have swallowed the party line haven’t you? I fear you are in for a very big disappointment. Blind faith I think.

You really think I’m stupid don’t you? How patronising.

MayBee70

Primrose53

MayBee70

Well, my new Labour MP has already arranged a public meeting with her constituents to discuss what can be done to help people with special needs. Because those are the things that need sorting: not this constant focus on how many people are arriving in boats every day. And this is the day that that particular type of scapegoating ends. Until Farage starts spouting his bile in parliament. I’m far more worried about that than what Labour will or won’t do.

MayBee70 do you honestly believe that people with special needs will take priority over the boat people? How many times do people have to be told there will not be enough money to go round ….. look at what we are paying every single day to pay for those who are already here.

The needs of everyone will be treated equally. And people on boats will not be used as scapegoats and dehumanised. Can’t help but feel that a lot of you will actually be disappointed if the number of people arriving on boats does reduce. However it isn’t going to happen quickly because Keir will be looking at the problem as a whole, not just coming up with gimmicky solutions. It’s a complex problem and he will have been thinking about it for a longtime.

And you believe that MayBee70? He has had several years to come up with a plan re the boat people. All he has done is get his supporters and lawyers to put a spoke in everything The Conservatives have done to try and solve the problem.

He hasn’t come up with a plan because he was too scared of offending the ethnic population who he was relying on to vote for him.

I didn’t say you were stupid MayBee, and I wouldn’t dream of doing so. However to put it as kindly as I can, if you think that the needs of everyone will be treated equally and illegal immigrants won’t be blamed for anything I think your specs are very heavily rose tinted.

Sir Starmer has repeatedly said he will smash the gangs and negotiate with the French.

Well Rishi Sunak has been negotiating with the French, giving them £ millions along with finding and breaking up 100’s of the gangs.

All to no avail, take out one gang and another one immediately pops up.

Unfortunately Labour do not have a credible alternative plan to stop the influx of small boats, to stop the gang masters becoming richer by the day, or the inevitable deaths in th channel.

I do wonder just how ‘huge’ an issue uncontrolled immigration is. Of course, there are the many tales of ‘illegals’ living in 5 star luxury, getting hundreds of pounds in benefits, free cars etc, and many people quote these things, when what they really mean is they don’t want foreigners in ‘their’ country. I suspect that is where the ‘huge’ number comes in. So many people get their information from social media, then quote things to justify their xenophobia.

We have five Independent MPs who have been voted in on a pro Palestine ticket, all calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.
pro Palestine MPs
One of them was Jeremy Corbyn, who told voters that 'Palestine is on the ballot' on polling day and created a logo using the colours of the Palestinian flag.