Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

It wasn’t up to Keir to come up with a plan. It was up to the government and all they could come up with was the grossly expensive ineffective Rwanda plan. Anyway time will now tell. I’ve got a government that I have confidence in so I’ll leave you lot to lose sleep about how that will affect you.

M0nica

Farage will find time to grandstand, whether in the Parliamentary chamber or outside it.

Farage is a stupid man. He is one of lifes disrupters, not a person to take responsibility, not a person to work with other people or put anybody elses interest ahead of his own. He is in many ways another Boris, loves strirring up he cr*p, but not interested in clearing it up.

He is in every way a clown, never happier than when performing in a public place while everyone stands round and claps him and urges him on.

M0nica I often enjoy reading your posts but on this you are very wrong.

NF is NOT stupid - look at what he has achieved in just under a month. I caught half of his speech this afternoon and he quite rightly pointed out that he speaks from the heart and doesn’t need notes. Starmer in his speech today had to look at his notes something like 120 times!

NF took on Brexit and won. He fought for the Post Office scandal and he took on the Banks and won there too. Where were all the others? They couldn’t care less.

Obviously you dislike him but millions do like him. Reform is the most followed party on social media by young people. His rally at Birmingham was sold out with 5,000 people at very short notice. Wherever he speaks, people turn up and listen. He is a great orator and he can get on with people from all walks of life.

I will remind you of your words in just a few months.😉

Dadima I have no problem with 'foreigners' coming here to work. I'm not so keen on the boatloads of young men arriving on our beaches. Each one has to be processed, health checked, fed and accommodated etc for months if not longer. The costs are enormous. There have been thousands of them so multiplied they add up to we can't afford them. Add to that the cost of the legal industry around keeping them here and you see why Reform got so many votes.
However, potential immigrants with something to offer and not just take from us are more than welcome. The waves of Polish people were a great asset to us here and I suspect elsewhere

The numbers are huge Daddima. Where are they going to live if granted asylum and what jobs will they do? They are not all skilled people needed in our workforce. Some have children for whom school places have to be found. Interpreters have to be found. We don’t even have a clue who some of them are because they have no papers.

It’s not xenophobia, this is a real crisis which our country faces with no sign of getting anything other than much worse. I have no objection to controlled immigration and our country needs it - but the thousands arriving on boats are something else.

MayBee70

It wasn’t up to Keir to come up with a plan. It was up to the government and all they could come up with was the grossly expensive ineffective Rwanda plan. Anyway time will now tell. I’ve got a government that I have confidence in so I’ll leave you lot to lose sleep about how that will affect you.

The Rwanda plan was not ineffective. The illegal immigrants have stopped going to Ireland now because of the Rwanda threat. It was a deterrent to them.

Your lot did their very best to claim thatRwanda was a terrible place to send immigrants to just to get back at the Conservatives plans.

I have had my friend here for lunch, she is from Tanzania which is next toRwanda. She says that Rwanda is a beautiful country where people are now choosing to go on holiday to. She says there is plenty of work there and schemes to start up new businesses for those who WANT to work. Those people coming on boats don’t want to work and pay taxes etc because TikTok tells them the streets are paved with gold here and you get everything you need provided for you without having to work.

Crossed posts Aveline.

Good point about the lawyers - who swallow so much of our very limited legal aid budget.

Great minds Germanshepherdsmum!

Nicenanny3

Amir, 23, a bean seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.

He said: “We are calling him [Starmer] ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”

Amir added that he would make the crossing “as soon as possible” now Sir Keir Starmer is in power.

He said: “It’s really good for us. We were really nervous in our countries to travel all the way here and get sent back.

“We no longer live in fear of sending us to Rwanda. I’ve seen a couple of documentaries and Rwanda is not the best place.” (The Telegraph today)

Do you have a link to the bean seller at all please?

Germanshepherdsmum

The numbers are huge Daddima. Where are they going to live if granted asylum and what jobs will they do? They are not all skilled people needed in our workforce. Some have children for whom school places have to be found. Interpreters have to be found. We don’t even have a clue who some of them are because they have no papers.

It’s not xenophobia, this is a real crisis which our country faces with no sign of getting anything other than much worse. I have no objection to controlled immigration and our country needs it - but the thousands arriving on boats are something else.

GSM - and if Angela Rayner gets her way we will have to take our share of them in N.Norfolk as she wants them “spread around evenly.”

The answer to illegal immigration is to put a stop to the conditions in their own countries that leads them to flee them.

Who would choose to put their lives in the hands of people smugglers. Everyone of them an evil criminal with no care or concern for the freight they are moving around, putting them to see in flimsy boats without life jackets unless they pay extra for them.

Think about it. How bad would things have to be for you to consider such a move or let your son and family do it.

We are trying to solve the illegal immigration problem from the wrong end.

One thing NF is not and that’s stupid.

God knows where she will find accommodation - maybe take over Morston Hall or Blakeney Hotels for starters? And that posh place at Langham should be acceptable?

Chestnut

Just to add, we've had 50,000 boat arrivals since Rishi Sunak became PM. How will Labour effectively deal with this issue? A lady aid worker on TV presented this map showing all the countries they are coming from. How can we take all these people zakouma66?

Immigration is an absolutely massive and complex subject.
Polarising I suppose.
I don't support uncontrolled immigration.

So let's think about " control"
Does the HO actually work properly?
Is it filtering people safely and effectively in a humane manner?
Are people seeking asylum given a fairly speedy route to a position where they can contribute to the economy by working?

Those currently able to apply for a visa seem to provide for our needs. Why do we need any more?

Daddima

I do wonder just how ‘huge’ an issue uncontrolled immigration is. Of course, there are the many tales of ‘illegals’ living in 5 star luxury, getting hundreds of pounds in benefits, free cars etc, and many people quote these things, when what they really mean is they don’t want foreigners in ‘their’ country. I suspect that is where the ‘huge’ number comes in. So many people get their information from social media, then quote things to justify their xenophobia.

I'm sorry but that is just wrong. Uncontrolled immigration is definitely a huge issue because it never ends. As I just said, 50,000 have arrived on boats in the last 20 months. Net migration in 2023 was 685,000 and the population has increased by 6 million since the Conservatives came in. None of that information is from social media.

That's 6 million more needing houses, medical care, education, food, water, sewage. How is the country's infrastructure supposed to cope with such an increase? We are already overcrowded which is why all our villages and towns are being built on. When will it end?

Nicenanny3

12:48MaizieD
Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'. 😁

That's a bit rich coming from you 🤣

Rude, very rude.

M0nica

The answer to illegal immigration is to put a stop to the conditions in their own countries that leads them to flee them.

Who would choose to put their lives in the hands of people smugglers. Everyone of them an evil criminal with no care or concern for the freight they are moving around, putting them to see in flimsy boats without life jackets unless they pay extra for them.

Think about it. How bad would things have to be for you to consider such a move or let your son and family do it.

We are trying to solve the illegal immigration problem from the wrong end.

How do you suggest we should do that, M0nica?

Interfering in the government or warring factions of other countries never ends well and piling money into aid often ends up in the wrong hands.

Impossible MOnica. As merlotgran says, interfering in other countries’ affairs never ends well - and we have no right to do so.

The majority of polls taken during the campaign showed immigration someway down the list - after (not in any particular order) the NHS, the economy, housing and schools. So why are you all so bothered about people arriving in boats?

Siope

I imagine one of Farage’s first actions will be opening discussions about crossing the floor to join the Tories.

In which case he'll be an ordinary back bencher, not even the leader of a party with only 4 MPs

You don’t live here, do you? They’re leaving your country to come here.

Germanshepherdsmum

Oh dear MayBee, you really have swallowed the party line haven’t you? I fear you are in for a very big disappointment. Blind faith I think.

No, Maybee isn't going to be disappointed but you may well be in for a shock.

Primrose53 Farage didn't help the post office workers caught up in the scandal. he merely spoke after the ITV drama doc was shown. Just jumping on the bandwagon as usual.

Dinamho, this thread is the current safe space of disaffected Tory voters who haven’t yet faced up to the horror of the position they find themselves in. Migrants are deeemd to be fair game for having a go at Labour when you don’t currently have my other tools in your chest. It’s best just to let them get on with it in peace.

Casdon

*Dinamho*, this thread is the current safe space of disaffected Tory voters who haven’t yet faced up to the horror of the position they find themselves in. Migrants are deeemd to be fair game for having a go at Labour when you don’t currently have my other tools in your chest. It’s best just to let them get on with it in peace.

I agree. The rest can go back to their safe space, the anti Farage thread, where they can continue their hate campaign in peace.